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Author Topic:   The Meaning Of The Trinity
ringo
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Message 1061 of 1864 (905319)
01-23-2023 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1053 by candle2
01-22-2023 5:02 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
And, as I said before, the number of people who
believe a certain way has nothing to do with
whether something is true or not.
And that applies to you too. Holy Spirit or no Holy Spirit, nothing you believe and nothing you have said has anything to do with whether or not Adam and Eve were real.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1062 of 1864 (905320)
01-23-2023 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1056 by candle2
01-22-2023 6:35 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
Tangle, evil would be to create humans as mindless
robots that have no emotions or self determination.
Your definition of evil is wrong.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1063 of 1864 (905321)
01-23-2023 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1059 by Phat
01-23-2023 10:00 AM


Re: The Problem of Evil overshadows all belief
Phat writes:
The only difference is that you, ringo, and Theodoric lay the blame on God (or more precisely His followers.)
Nonsense. Don't attribute characteristics to me that I have told you many times are false. Maybe God "would" be blamed IF he was real - but he isn't.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1068 of 1864 (905327)
01-23-2023 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1064 by Phat
01-23-2023 10:57 AM


Re: The Problem of Evil overshadows all belief
Phat writes:
Why do you keep stating this "lack of evidence" argument as if it thus becomes a fact?
Evidence is fact. Facts are evidence. Lack of evidence is lack of fact. There can not be fact without evidence.
Why would you even ask that question?
Phat writes:
You once argued that we havent looked everywhere yet.
The argument there was about the meaning of "knowledge". I said that we don't "know" for sure, just because we don't have any facts.
Phat writes:
Perhaps you should reexamine your inner space...
Re-examine your own inner space. i have thought much more about it than you have.
Phat writes:
... rather than proclaiming your conclusions as the reality in everyone elses outer space.
Reality is reality whether you like it or not.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1071 of 1864 (905330)
01-23-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1069 by Phat
01-23-2023 11:26 AM


Re: The Problem of Evil overshadows all belief
Phat writes:
You all are waiting for me to put my foot in my mouth....
You already have an infantry division in your mouth.
Phat writes:
One example is your quick branding of Douglas Murray as a racist.
It doesn't take long to spot a racist. The guys in the white robes and pointy hats are racists.
Phat writes:
I presented a video response that had him honestly and thoughtfully responding to a philosophical debate with two other noted scholars
How does that make him not a racist?
Phat writes:
Cop-out! He shows no racist tendencies in his debate with Tom Holland and Stephen Meyer.
So that's your logic? If there's ONE place where he doesn't display racism he's not a racist? There were several places where Charles Manson didn't commit murder, so he was not a murderer?
Phat writes:
For any of the rest of you with an open mind, check the debate(from a conservative thinktank) out.
I'll watch your videos when you start responding to my rebuttals.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1073 of 1864 (905333)
01-23-2023 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1070 by Phat
01-23-2023 11:32 AM


Re: The Problem of Evil overshadows all belief
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
i have thought much more about it than you have.
How can you even say such a thing with a straight face?!
How can you deny it with any shape of face?
Phat writes:
I do more thinking on the pot than you do all day at the library!
Clearly not. Your posts don't demonstrate much thought at all.
Phat writes:
I think more because I am trying to come to some conclusions.
You're trying to swallow the conclusions that those right-wing fanatics are trying to shove down your throat. But you can't because your mouth is too full of feet.
Phat writes:
You have already concluded that you are right and fall back on preconceived conclusions rather than further investigation.
That's a stupid thing to say. There are lots of people who agree with my conclusions. Lots of people have drawn the same conclusions independently. We are the ones who investigate thoroughly.
Your conclusions aren't even self-consistent. You contradict yourself constantly. You refuse to investigate anything but sources that confirm your biases.
You refuse to discuss anything. When you start discussing the rebuttals of your nonsense, you can criticize other people's conclusions.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1078 of 1864 (905345)
01-23-2023 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1075 by candle2
01-23-2023 12:21 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
You still need to tell us exactly how mortal humans can
live without experiencing any pain and suffering.

If you were all powerful, how would you accomplish this?
Just to be clear, will you give us a list of all the things your "all-powerful" God can NOT do?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1089 of 1864 (905466)
01-27-2023 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1088 by candle2
01-26-2023 3:13 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
1 John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep His
Commandments: and His Commandments are not
grievous."

Do, you believe that God's 10 Commandments are still
binding?
You contradict yourself.
The commandments are not binding. "We" keep them for the love of God.
"We" who keep the commandments are God's church, not "we" who believe in the Trinity or "we" who believe this or that about "souls".
And John didn't mention "ten" commandments.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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 Message 1103 by candle2, posted 01-30-2023 4:21 PM ringo has replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1102 of 1864 (905550)
01-30-2023 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1095 by candle2
01-29-2023 10:25 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
The other 8 Commandments are only possible for us
to keep if we truly love God and our fellow humans.
You have it backwards. If we DO keep the commandments, it shows that we love our fellow humans (and that we would love God if He existed). By our fruits ye shall know us.
candle2 writes:
Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss away
if we truly love others?
The rather obvious one is murder. Most people never murder.
So your whole sermon is a bit iffy.
Do you care to respond to anything I actually said?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1110 of 1864 (905595)
01-31-2023 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1103 by candle2
01-30-2023 4:21 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
Ringo, I wrote that God's Church would keep His
10 Commandments.
You have it backwards. It isn't become a member of God's church and THEN keep the commandments. It's keep the commandments and you ARE a member of God's church.
candle2 writes:
But, if you think this belief is a requirement for eternal
life, then have at it. Convince me.
Nobody could convince you that water is wet.
And if you read my posts, you would know that I DON'T believe in the Trinity. I don't believe in ANY of the members of the Trinity.
candle2 writes:
Also, if you have any idea what a soul actually is, then
tell us. If you can.
A "soul" is an imaginary concept, like a leprechaun or phlogiston.
candle2 writes:
Also, you replied, concerning the 10 Commandments.

The Commandments are not binding.
"We keep them for the love of God."

God loves us whether we keep His Commandment or
not.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
I said WE keep the commandments because WE love God (and hence WE love humans). WE.
I didn't say a word about whom or what God loves.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1111 of 1864 (905596)
01-31-2023 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1104 by candle2
01-30-2023 4:24 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder.
WHAT?
I mean, WHAT?
Where, in any universe, did you get such a crazy idea?
In Message 1095 you asked, "Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss away if we truly love others?" and I replied in Message 1102 that, "The rather obvious one is murder."
How can you possibly get from that that I think it is now acceptable to murder?
I said that we don't "need" a commandment against murder because most of us never murder anyway. So yes, we can throw that commandment away. If there was a commandment against hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer, we could throw that one away too. It's an unnecessary commandment.
Learn to read.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1112 of 1864 (905597)
01-31-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1108 by candle2
01-31-2023 8:27 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
I give chapter and verse for my assertions.
And you're usually wrong about what it says.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1114 of 1864 (905603)
01-31-2023 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1113 by candle2
01-31-2023 12:14 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
I am going to give you the opportunity to correct me.
candle2 writes:
Tell us what this means, please.
Which is it? Am I going to correct you or are you going to correct me?
Try to be coherent.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1148 of 1864 (905688)
02-02-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1115 by candle2
01-31-2023 2:13 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
I simply wanted to show how little you understand about
the Bible.
But you haven't done that. I have shown that YOUR twisting of the Bible is wrong. I have quoted what the Bible actually says.
You claimed you were going to show where I am wrong. Go ahead and do that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1149 of 1864 (905690)
02-02-2023 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1118 by candle2
01-31-2023 3:26 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
Some of the biggest agnostics who have ever lived believed
these assertions
Do you even know what an agnostic is?
Gnosis is a Greek noun meaning knowledge. (Somewhere along the line, the 'g' seems to have morphed into a 'k'.) 'A' is is a general-purpose negative prefix that means 'not'.
So 'agnostic' means 'not knowing'.
How do you think somebody who admits to 'not knowing' about God would manage to hate God? WHY would an agnostic hate God?
It's easy enough to hate Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin laden. There are reasons for hating them. But how can you hate somebody you don't know anything about?
Somebody has told you that agnostics hate God but it doesn't make any sense. Didn't you think at all before you parroted that lie?
candle2 writes:
I used to believe these lies, and they never gave me
comfort.
Nobody promised you a rose garden. The truth will set you free but it doesn't guarantee you any comfort. (See global warming.)
candle2 writes:
It would be impossible to love God, if He were like this.
I sometimes point out that Hitler loved his dog.
And Eva Braun loved Hitler. The heart wants what it wants. Love has little to do with what YOU think is possible.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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