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How do you expect me to answer your question when you decided beforehand that it was a rhetorical question designed to have no rational answer EXCEPT your conclusion that Evidence has eliminated God as a reasonable answer.

I think the majority of us are waiting for answers from Phat. He has taken many threads off-topic and never addresses criticisms or questions.

Evidence is fact. Facts are evidence. Lack of evidence is lack of fact. There can not be fact without evidence.Why would you even ask that question? The argument there was about the meaning of "knowledge". I said that we don't "know" for sure, just because we don't have any facts. Re-examine your own inner space. i have thought much more about it than you have. Reality is reality whether you like it or not.

Lets be more precise. You all are waiting for me to put my foot in my mouth and confirm YOUR answer(that there really *is* no GOD) or try and "make shit up" in order to dance around your foregone conclusions. You have a lot of quick conclusions yourself. One example is your quick branding of Douglas Murray as a racist. I presented a video response that had him honestly and thoughtfully responding to a philosophical debate with two other noted scholars: Does God Exist? A Conversation with Tom Holland, Stephen Meyer, and Douglas MurrayThis is one of the better debate/discussions I have watched. I highly recommend this debate.You, however, are so set in your ways that you are even less likely to even watch a conservative source ( Hoover Institution) than would I be to watch some world view that you would defend. You and I likely will never agree. You vilify me by calling me out for every "sin" I've ever committed against you personally or your character but what you really fear is that I myself am waking up and am well able to defend conservative arguments against your world view,.( which you think is the best way and indeed the ONLY way.) Pot meet Kettle. I know for a fact that you will never watch the video debate since in your elitist attitude you claim that

WE don't debate by video, around here (says whom?)

Murray is a racist. (Cop-out! He shows no racist tendencies in his debate with Tom Holland and Stephen Meyer.) You just like to whine like a hurt stepchild. Either grow up or crawl back under your rock.

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For any of the rest of you with an open mind, check the debate(from a conservative thinktank) out.

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The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).

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When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy

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Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022

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We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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i have thought much more about it than you have.

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How can you even say such a thing with a straight face?! I do more thinking on the pot than you do all day at the library! I think more because I am trying to come to some conclusions. You have already concluded that you are right and fall back on preconceived conclusions rather than further investigation.

You already have an infantry division in your mouth. It doesn't take long to spot a racist. The guys in the white robes and pointy hats are racists. How does that make him not a racist? So that's your logic? If there's ONE place where he doesn't display racism he's not a racist? There were several places where Charles Manson didn't commit murder, so he was not a murderer? I'll watch your videos when you start responding to my rebuttals.

I expect you to be able to defend something you believe.I'd accept the answer that it's a problem that you can't resolve but your faith requires you to believe it anyway. That would be honest and show that you've at least thought about it and recognised the logical paradox involved.It's not a rhetorical question, it's a serious philosophical problem and there are other possible conclusions than god does not exist.But even if my mind is made up, I want to hear your argument. If you have one.

How can you deny it with any shape of face? Clearly not. Your posts don't demonstrate much thought at all. You're trying to swallow the conclusions that those right-wing fanatics are trying to shove down your throat. But you can't because your mouth is too full of feet. That's a stupid thing to say. There are lots of people who agree with my conclusions. Lots of people have drawn the same conclusions independently. We are the ones who investigate thoroughly.Your conclusions aren't even self-consistent. You contradict yourself constantly. You refuse to investigate anything but sources that confirm your biases.You refuse to discuss anything. When you start discussing the rebuttals of your nonsense, you can criticize other people's conclusions.

Right. And a True Scotsman doesn't put sugar in his porridge. Perhaps you should read up on the difference between ontological randomness and statistical randomness. The theory of evolution, and all of science, uses statistical randomness. That is, something is considered random if it fits a statistical model of randomness. However, no one makes claims about the supernatural that could perhaps control the process in a way that is indistinguishable from randomness.If you have a problem with evolution for being random, then you will need to reject the bulk of science. For example, thermodynamics is based on randomness. Do you reject thermodynamics?

Tangle, tell me how it is possible to create an
environment without pain and suffering when the
inhabitants are flesh and blood humans.Humans have needs. We have emotions; often strong
emotions.Humans get sick. We feel pain. We feel jealousy.Those who join the God family will be Spirit Beings.
We will not have physical needs.Our character of outgoing love for each other will be
permanent.Now you tell me how it is possible for human beings
To live in absolute joy without anything bad ever
happening to them.God owes us nothing. However, He is offering each of
us the opportunity to become a member of the God
family.But, He knows the best way to do this.Pain and suffering are not enjoyable but they do help
us to grow and realize how much we need for Christ
to return to earth and set up His Kingdom.He gave us a taste of what His Kingdom will be like
when healed the sick and fed the poor.You still need to tell us exactly how mortal humans can
live without experiencing any pain and suffering.If you were all powerful, how would you accomplish this?

There are several answers to that question, here's three1. God is all powerful, are you saying that he's not?
2. God has created at least two places for humans that are free of suffering, the Garden of Eden and heaven, so where's the difficulty?
3. There is no reason why we need to be flesh and blood; a soul is enough for both heaven and hell is it not?
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It is not surprising as a racist yourself, you can not see the racism of Murray. The pieces from his book that you think show how wonderful he is, ooze with racism.
Just because Alex Jones does not lie about Sand Hook every time he speaks does not make him not guilty about lying about Sandy Hook. The video you have such a hardon for is irrelevant to anything I have said or posted about Murray. Says the forum rules. Another reason you were such a shitty moderator. You didn't even know or follow the forum rules.
https://www.evcforum.net/PresentHTML.php?control=webpagep...
Here you go maybe you should read them. If you then still don't understand, reach out I am sure someone may be willing to explain them to you. Again he doesn't address this. All he does is resort to attacking me and "but look at you"
The only thing worse than a troll is a willfully ignorant troll.Murray is a racist, misogynist hack.
The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray review – a rightwing diatribe | Society books | The Guardian
Why Douglas Murray’s “Strange Death of Europe” Is a Far-Right Hit — And Wrong

Just to be clear, will you give us a list of all the things your "all-powerful" God can NOT do?

Then why not start that way? Isn't that what heaven is? What does there even have to be an Earth? Why not put the souls directly into heaven? Create heaven and put people in heaven.

Actually that isn't Biblical. That belief came from Plato. This happened when the early Christian church allowed itself to be influenced by the Greco-Roman thing after Constantine.