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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
And that applies to you too. Holy Spirit or no Holy Spirit, nothing you believe and nothing you have said has anything to do with whether or not Adam and Eve were real. And, as I said before, the number of people whobelieve a certain way has nothing to do with whether something is true or not. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Your definition of evil is wrong. Tangle, evil would be to create humans as mindlessrobots that have no emotions or self determination. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nonsense. Don't attribute characteristics to me that I have told you many times are false. Maybe God "would" be blamed IF he was real - but he isn't. The only difference is that you, ringo, and Theodoric lay the blame on God (or more precisely His followers.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Evidence is fact. Facts are evidence. Lack of evidence is lack of fact. There can not be fact without evidence. Why do you keep stating this "lack of evidence" argument as if it thus becomes a fact? Why would you even ask that question?
Phat writes:
The argument there was about the meaning of "knowledge". I said that we don't "know" for sure, just because we don't have any facts.
You once argued that we havent looked everywhere yet. Phat writes:
Re-examine your own inner space. i have thought much more about it than you have.
Perhaps you should reexamine your inner space... Phat writes:
Reality is reality whether you like it or not. ... rather than proclaiming your conclusions as the reality in everyone elses outer space.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You already have an infantry division in your mouth.
You all are waiting for me to put my foot in my mouth.... Phat writes:
It doesn't take long to spot a racist. The guys in the white robes and pointy hats are racists.
One example is your quick branding of Douglas Murray as a racist. Phat writes:
How does that make him not a racist?
I presented a video response that had him honestly and thoughtfully responding to a philosophical debate with two other noted scholars Phat writes:
So that's your logic? If there's ONE place where he doesn't display racism he's not a racist? There were several places where Charles Manson didn't commit murder, so he was not a murderer?
Cop-out! He shows no racist tendencies in his debate with Tom Holland and Stephen Meyer. Phat writes:
I'll watch your videos when you start responding to my rebuttals. For any of the rest of you with an open mind, check the debate(from a conservative thinktank) out.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
How can you deny it with any shape of face?
ringo writes:
How can you even say such a thing with a straight face?! i have thought much more about it than you have. Phat writes:
Clearly not. Your posts don't demonstrate much thought at all.
I do more thinking on the pot than you do all day at the library! Phat writes:
You're trying to swallow the conclusions that those right-wing fanatics are trying to shove down your throat. But you can't because your mouth is too full of feet.
I think more because I am trying to come to some conclusions. Phat writes:
That's a stupid thing to say. There are lots of people who agree with my conclusions. Lots of people have drawn the same conclusions independently. We are the ones who investigate thoroughly. You have already concluded that you are right and fall back on preconceived conclusions rather than further investigation. Your conclusions aren't even self-consistent. You contradict yourself constantly. You refuse to investigate anything but sources that confirm your biases. You refuse to discuss anything. When you start discussing the rebuttals of your nonsense, you can criticize other people's conclusions.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Just to be clear, will you give us a list of all the things your "all-powerful" God can NOT do? You still need to tell us exactly how mortal humans canlive without experiencing any pain and suffering. If you were all powerful, how would you accomplish this? Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
You contradict yourself. 1 John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep HisCommandments: and His Commandments are not grievous." Do, you believe that God's 10 Commandments are still binding? The commandments are not binding. "We" keep them for the love of God. "We" who keep the commandments are God's church, not "we" who believe in the Trinity or "we" who believe this or that about "souls". And John didn't mention "ten" commandments.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
You have it backwards. If we DO keep the commandments, it shows that we love our fellow humans (and that we would love God if He existed). By our fruits ye shall know us.
The other 8 Commandments are only possible for usto keep if we truly love God and our fellow humans. candle2 writes:
The rather obvious one is murder. Most people never murder. Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss awayif we truly love others? So your whole sermon is a bit iffy. Do you care to respond to anything I actually said?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
You have it backwards. It isn't become a member of God's church and THEN keep the commandments. It's keep the commandments and you ARE a member of God's church.
Ringo, I wrote that God's Church would keep His10 Commandments. candle2 writes:
Nobody could convince you that water is wet. But, if you think this belief is a requirement for eternallife, then have at it. Convince me. And if you read my posts, you would know that I DON'T believe in the Trinity. I don't believe in ANY of the members of the Trinity.
candle2 writes:
A "soul" is an imaginary concept, like a leprechaun or phlogiston.
Also, if you have any idea what a soul actually is, thentell us. If you can. candle2 writes:
You have a reading comprehension problem. Also, you replied, concerning the 10 Commandments. The Commandments are not binding. "We keep them for the love of God." God loves us whether we keep His Commandment or not. I said WE keep the commandments because WE love God (and hence WE love humans). WE. I didn't say a word about whom or what God loves.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
WHAT? Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder. I mean, WHAT? Where, in any universe, did you get such a crazy idea? In Message 1095 you asked, "Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss away if we truly love others?" and I replied in Message 1102 that, "The rather obvious one is murder." How can you possibly get from that that I think it is now acceptable to murder? I said that we don't "need" a commandment against murder because most of us never murder anyway. So yes, we can throw that commandment away. If there was a commandment against hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer, we could throw that one away too. It's an unnecessary commandment. Learn to read.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
And you're usually wrong about what it says. I give chapter and verse for my assertions. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes: I am going to give you the opportunity to correct me. candle2 writes: Tell us what this means, please. Which is it? Am I going to correct you or are you going to correct me? Try to be coherent.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
But you haven't done that. I have shown that YOUR twisting of the Bible is wrong. I have quoted what the Bible actually says. I simply wanted to show how little you understand aboutthe Bible. You claimed you were going to show where I am wrong. Go ahead and do that.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Do you even know what an agnostic is? Some of the biggest agnostics who have ever lived believedthese assertions Gnosis is a Greek noun meaning knowledge. (Somewhere along the line, the 'g' seems to have morphed into a 'k'.) 'A' is is a general-purpose negative prefix that means 'not'. So 'agnostic' means 'not knowing'. How do you think somebody who admits to 'not knowing' about God would manage to hate God? WHY would an agnostic hate God? It's easy enough to hate Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin laden. There are reasons for hating them. But how can you hate somebody you don't know anything about? Somebody has told you that agnostics hate God but it doesn't make any sense. Didn't you think at all before you parroted that lie?
candle2 writes:
Nobody promised you a rose garden. The truth will set you free but it doesn't guarantee you any comfort. (See global warming.)
I used to believe these lies, and they never gave mecomfort. candle2 writes:
I sometimes point out that Hitler loved his dog. It would be impossible to love God, if He were like this. And Eva Braun loved Hitler. The heart wants what it wants. Love has little to do with what YOU think is possible. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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