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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
I'm well aware of that. Your inability to learn has been noted, and not just by me. Ringo, you can't teach me anything. My replies to you are intended to prevent anybody else from falling for your nonsense. I don't hope to convince you that reality exists. (I don't believe in miracles.)
candle2 writes:
Feel free to point out my ignorance - with actual facts, not just empty accusations. I will continue to point out your ignorance.
In any event, if you did not make such ignorantstatements there would be no reason to treat them with sarcasm. candle2 writes:
If you had read my post (and feel free to check out the facts) you SHOULD have learned that Canada is also good for accepting refugees from American tyranny. Go ahead and try to refute anything I said. Frostbite is all that Canada is good for.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
I don't think it's possible for you to lose any knowledge or common sense. You're too firmly glued to what you think you know.
Ringo, you can't teach me anything because it wouldrequire a loss of knowledge and common sense on my part in order for you and I to be on the same level. candle2 writes:
Of course there is. There is no UNnatural way for it to begin. there is no natural way for life to begin on its own.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
1. Science doesn't deal in proof. It deals in evidence. And so do you, of course. When you drive through an intersection, you want evidence that another car is not going to hit you, so you look both ways. Ringo, you say that original life began by naturalprocesses. Where is your absolute proof of this. 2. Science doesn't deal in absolutes. And neither do you, of course. You don't stop at an intersection waiting for "absolute proof" that no car can possibly hit you. You go with the preponderance of evidence, the probability. So stop being dishonest.
candle2 writes:
Nope. Belief is for when there is NO evidence. For example. there is NO evidence of any UNnatural cause for life.
If you cannot provide absolute proof for yourassertion, then all you have is a belief. candle2 writes:
Exactly. So YOUR belief is worth less than one cent.
Beliefs are a dime a dozen. candle2 writes:
I don't have a belief. I have evidence.
And this one belief casts great doubt on anything thatyou hold to be true. candle2 writes:
I don't have any faith, i have evidence.
What is really sad is that you place so much faith... candle2 writes:
Do you know anything about the so-called "laws of nature"? Did you know, for example that even what creationists call 'laws of nature" don't trump evidence?
... in abelief that goes against a time-proven law of nature... candle2 writes:
That "law' is just something that creationists made up. It has nothing to do with science. Scientific evidence shows no such thing. Hint: Life is made of chemicals. What magic do you think there is that makes some chemicals alive and other chemicals not alive? ... and that is simply that life cannot come from non life.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Science doesn't deal in proof, so there's no reason for science to have "proof" of evolution. Science also doesn't have "proof" of gravity. Ya know why? Because science doesn't deal in proof.
Ringo, you say that evolutionists do not deal with proof.And, you are 100% right. There is no proof of evolution. candle2 writes:
Well, noi, we don't. You demanded proof for evolution, which means you don't know anything about science.
See, we agree. candle2 writes:
You have been lied to.
Evolutionists do not have evidence that creationistsdon't have. candle2 writes:
And you contradict yourself. How could they have "access" to the evidence if there was no evidence?
Everyone has access to the same evidence. candle2 writes:
And you don't understand what interpretation means. The interpretation is different. Take the "Flood", for example. You CAN NOT interpret evidence of many small floods as evidence of one large flood. That isn't interpretation. That is fantasy.
candle2 writes:
Nope. No faith. You have been lied to.
In any event, evolutionists have faith, and nothing more,that their views are right. candle2 writes:
I have said flat-out in many posts that I live in Canada. No miracle prognostication requitred.
Judging by your posts and the evidence (be honest andtell me how close I am) I say with 90% certainty that you live in Canada. candle2 writes:
100% wrong.
80% certainty that you are female. candle2 writes:
100% wrong.
85% certainty that you are between 75-80 years old. candle2 writes:
100% wrong.
95% certainty that you believe in the existence of God... candle2 writes:
100% wrong. I don't try to deny the existence of God any more than you try to deny the existence of Quetzalcoatl.
...but you try your best to deny this. candle2 writes:
Dismally. If you had actually looked at the "evidence available" (my 20,000 or so posts), you would have found most of the actual facts instead of making silly assumptions. Based on the available evidence how did I do. But you DON't look at the evidence. You only look up your ass, which is where your assumptions about evolution come from too.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No need to cry. What's wrong with Quetzalcoatl? Why can't Quetzalcoatl be another aspect of a multi-une god?
In another thread you even brought up Quatzechotal, for crying out loud! Phat writes:
Nothing "stubborn" about it. It's blindingly obvious. You never brought up a single coherent objection.
You stubbornly clung to the fact that if the Creator allowed the "hole to be dug" by which people could fall into it, He was in fact evil. Phat writes:
And your belief, along with Goober Kreeft, is still wrong. There is no difference between creating evil and creating the "possibility" of evil. Make an argument. Don't just repeat the same nonsense.
So my basic belief, shared by Dr.Peter Kreeft, is that God initially only created the possibility of evil. Phat writes:
Go ahead and name twenty people who are not willing to give up the experience of war, famine, genocide, etc. I maintain that the jury is definitely NOT out on that.
ringo writes:
Some would agree, others wouldnt. I'm willing to give up the experience of war, famine, genocide, etc. Phat writes:
You deny Jesus.
You mouth off to God more than I do... Phat writes:
I have thought about everything I talk about. That's why it's easy to rebut your so-called arguments. ringo writes:
Why not think about it for once? Why couldn't God avoid creating evil by creating a world that didn't evolve? Take your own advice.
Phat writes:
Disaster is evil. Calamity is evil. No difference after all.
You claim that its all God fault according to Isaiah 45:7. In fact, here are several translations: Phat writes:
That's what I keep telling you but you continue to pretend that Satan is the bad guy.
God takes full responsibility for all that Job has endured and nobody blames Satan. Phat writes:
And you contradict yourself AGAIN.
You, on the other hand, have mentioned being Satans defense attorney! Phat writes:
You're making that up. It says no such thing.
The problem with the tree of knowledge is that people became more aware of themselves and less aware of God. Phat writes:
And it says nothing about choosing one tree or the other. They were forbidden from eating from ONE tree only.
Had they chosen the other tree .... Phat writes:
Jesus didn't exist until thousands of years later.
... they could have had Jesus... Phat writes:
Not "self-actualization". Knowledge of Good and Evil.
... but instead they chose the tree of self actualization. Phat writes:
He didn't need to. I know how to operate a keyboard. And I like how you capitalize I AM. Did the snake teach you that? Edited by ringo, . Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What parable? God foreknew (in the parable) that humans would choose self actualization before they chose Jesus(Tree of Life)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Since when is it a parable? You seem to think that Adam and Eve and the snake were real. Genesis. The tree(s). The snake. The nakedness. Surely you know of this parable.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I come from the olden days when you had to look over your shoulder when you smoked pot. I still look over my shoulder when I smell somebody else's pot. Are you seriously asking that question? For the same reason that we can't smoke pot at grandma's house. But this is the 21st century. A lot of grandmas are smoking pot. So how about an honest answer to the question?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I did get the analogy. My response was that grandma is as likely as anybody else to smoke pot, what with her glaucoma and all, and she is more likely than many others to share it with you, in cookies, for example. It has nothing to do with "evil" or "willfulness" or "rebelliousness". It has everything to do with grandmas being grandmas, especially grandmas of a certain generation. You didn't get the analogy. When in the "house" of someone whom you know and respect, you will temper your own evil/willful/rebellious tendencies. It was a bad analogy.
Phat writes:
I haven't applied. I don't like the nhe neighborhood.
... if you even made the grade to be accepted in Heaven... Phat writes:
Smoking pot is not 'doing evil". Bad analogy.
you would not be/do evil in Heaven. Phat writes:
We know, we know. YAWN. The apologetics that I have adapted says that God initially allowed free will in Heaven, Lucifer chose it ... blah... blah... blah.... You can't even apologize for "your" own apologetics, so stop wasting our time with your endless repetition.
Phat writes:
Which makes Him responsible. All that is to say that God foreknew what we were likely to do.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Don't need to. I can rebut your apologetics off the top of my head any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
At least you cant readily google a rebuttal to mine. Phat writes:
You have it backwards, as usual. being able to express it it my (our) own words is a thousand times better than having to google it. You google till the cows come home but you don't understand what you google. You have to actually make up your own response.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's funny how you quote scripture actually saying flat out that "The earth is the LORD’s" and then you handwave it away saying that most commentaries disagree. Lets go to scrip:Psalms 24:1 writes: ESV-The earth is the LORD’s and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein, for he has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the rivers. Most commentaries suggest that though the earth was the Lords, the world was/is of Satan. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
He most certainly can. My lease specifies no smoking (tobacco and/or pot). Quiet must be maintained from 10 PM to 8 AM. The laundry room may only be used from 9 AM to 9 PM. I can't even put a nail in the wall to hang a picture. The landlord is legally entitled to make those rules for the greater good of the residents at large.
If a Landlord rents out apartments in an apartment house that he happens to own, he cannot legally have a say as to what specific behaviors his tenants can do. Phat writes:
Wrong again. The only thing he can enforce is occupancy. If he doesn't like a guest's behavior, he can ask the guest to leave. His right to remove the unwanted guest forcibly is also circumscribed.
IF, however, we are talking about the Landlords's personal home, he darn well can enforce any and every type of behavior within that environment. Phat writes:
Even if you were right about landlord/host rights, which you are not, you're just making that up. You're trying to reverse-engineer your theology to fit your misconceived notiions. The earth is more like a rental property. Heaven is more like a personal and private residence.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You should be able to answer that. It isn't a difficult question. You could google it. That's like asking me why the sky isn't greenCome all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
And you don't understand a word of the apologetics that you worship.
l...he does not believe a word of the apologetic narrative regarding the stories and parables of the holy scriptures. Phat writes:
Your own fantasies scare you. (Now I'll read on in your post and see if I was right.)
... do you have any idea (or concern) about what scares me? Phat writes:
Yup, your fantasy. All in your addled mind. Not a vestage of reality.
What scares me is the vision of a one world social democratic order...where religion is publicly outlawed and secular humanist values are required (a mandatory requirement all in the name of protecting the people from religious radicals.) Phat writes:
Easy prediction, since you won't live long enough to be proven wrong.
I see it happening easily within 25 years. Phat writes:
I don't know why you're so enamored with a two-party system. Most of the mature democracies in the world have multiple parties. In Canada, we have five parties in Parliament. Is it ever possible for a two party system to see eye to eye? A system limited to two parties is necessarily polarizing.
Phat writes:
You're not "conservative-leaning". You fell off the edge long ago. conservative leaning Bible thumpers And you're not a "Bible-thumper". You're a Bible-trasher.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
And yet you don't give Him credit for thinking. I believe Him with all my heart.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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