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Message 975 of 1864 (905055)
01-15-2023 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 971 by dwise1
01-12-2023 2:34 AM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Not very wise, Cannota is Canada. A wise individual would
have figured this out without any difficulty.
What happened to you in life that caused you to lose your
ability to reason?
You state ignorant nonsense that any sensible individual
can see as stupidity.
There is no way that Putin could determine the outcome
of the presidental election.
How can someone seriously entertain any of your views
when you put forth such fantasy ideas.
Trump did not want a weakened NATO. He wanted the
other members to pay their fair share. Why should
America pay for 85% of all NATO's military budget.
You repeat the same old lies that NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS,
and CNN and all the other liberal media spew every day.
And that is that illegal immigrants benefit America.
20,000 illegal immigrants crossing our border every day
is lunacy.
Every one if them are given food, housing, and medical
care, free of charge.
The vast majority of them will work in low skill, low
paying jobs, which will allow they to receive food stamps
an other benefits for life. Only a total idiot would think
that this is beneficial for America.
Don't you just love it when the border states send these
immigrants to places such as Chicago, Nantucket, and
Washington D.C.?
What do these hypocritical Democrats in these places do?
You are right? They whine and complain about the extra
burden that it places on them. They cry like little girls.
I have stated very plainly my stance on RCD. You know
What it is.

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Message 977 of 1864 (905110)
01-17-2023 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 973 by dwise1
01-14-2023 11:48 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Dwise, you talk about absolute proof for life.
Let me tell you that I personally do not care how you or
anyone else think that life began. What you believe has
no effect on me or my life.
God tells His followers not to "cast their pearls before swine."
He tells us that they are unable to appreciate the value of
our understanding.
In other words, don't offer what one holds dear to someone
who won't appreciate it.
My advice to Ringo was he simply does not know how
life began. And, he doesn't.
He, like you, can have an opinion, but that's all it will ever
amount to.
Evolutionists believe that life was created by random
chance. But, there is no absolute proof of this. It takes
great faith to believe that life came from nonlife.
My point was simply that Neither you nor Ringo can be
for certain whether life was created by design or by a
freak of nature.

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Message 979 of 1864 (905113)
01-18-2023 10:57 AM
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01-17-2023 5:30 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Taq, in your vision of theistic evolution are the first
eleven chapters of Genesis to be taken as allegories?
Was Adam created by God's own hands, or did Adam
evolve from a lower life form?
After Adam came to be did evolution continue, or did it
then cease?
Do theistic evolutionists believe that God had the power to
create Adam instantly?
You need to clarify your stance.

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Message 981 of 1864 (905115)
01-18-2023 12:12 PM
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01-18-2023 11:30 AM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Taq, the number of people who believe a certain way has
nothing to do with whether they are right or not.

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Message 982 of 1864 (905116)
01-18-2023 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 976 by ringo
01-16-2023 12:07 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Ringo, you say that evolutionists do not deal with proof.
And, you are 100% right. There is no proof of evolution.
See, we agree.
Evolutionists do not have evidence that creationists
don't have. Everyone has access to the same evidence.
The interpretation is different.
In any event, evolutionists have faith, and nothing more,
that their views are right.
Judging by your posts and the evidence (be honest and
tell me how close I am) I say with 90% certainty that you
live in Canada.
80% certainty that you are female.
85% certainty that you are between 75-80 years old.
95% certainty that you believe in the existence of God,
but you try your best to deny this.
Based on the available evidence how did I do.

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Message 1028 of 1864 (905267)
01-21-2023 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 980 by Taq
01-18-2023 11:30 AM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Taq, a so-called theistic evolutionists is no more a
Christian than a liberal man who puts on a dress and
lipstick is a woman.
Theistic evolutionists are the same as evolutionists in
God's eyes.
God leaves nothing to chance; only humans do this.
Jesus tells us that the very hair on our head is known by
God. And, that every sparrow that falls to the ground is
also known by God.
Revelation 13:8 informs us that before the earth was
formed that the Word (Jesus) knew He would one
day be put to death for our sins.
Ephesians 1:4 tells us that before the earth was
created that God already knew who His "elect" were,
and when they would be born.
The "elect" are those who were/are predestinated to
conform to the image of God. The "elect" will occupy
governmental position in the Kingdom of God when
Christ returns to set it up.
Nothing here is left to chance.
The Word "yom" is used more than 2300 times
outside of Genesis 1.
Whether plural or singular in every occasion where
yom is used with a number it refers to a 24 hour
period.
There are over 400 examples of this in the OT.
When the terms night and day are found outside
of Genesis 1 (52 times) it always refers to a 24
hour period.
When the terms "evening" or "morning" is used
outside of Genesis 1 it always refers to a 24 hour
day.
When evening and morning, without yom, are used
together outside of Genesis 1 (38 times) it always
refers to a 24 hour day.
When referring to Jonah being three days and
nights in the belly of the fish TE's have no trouble
understanding the amount of time involved.
In Genesis 1 their minds melt down.

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Message 1039 of 1864 (905287)
01-22-2023 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1033 by Phat
01-21-2023 1:08 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Phat, God does not hate TE's or evolutionists. God does
not hate any humans.
TE's dismiss the first eleven chapters of Genesis. They
dismiss Noah and the global flood, as well as the origin
of sin and death, and more.
The Apostles wrote of these events. Jesus, himself,
spoke of Noah and the flood.
Do TE's think that Jesus and the Apostles were lying, or
making stuff up.
Do they think that Jesus was lying when he said that
"from the beginning God made them male and female?"
Theistic evolution is riddled with assumption and
falsehood . Why would God look favorably on it?

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Message 1042 of 1864 (905291)
01-22-2023 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1041 by nwr
01-22-2023 12:07 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Nwr, I don't assume anything. I know beyond a shadow
of a doubt that they were humans.
However, they were filled with God's Holy Spirit. And they
lived with Jesus for over three years.
Jesus, as the Word, was the member of the God family--
which now consists of two members--that created Adam
and Eve.
Jesus is the same member that led the Israelites out
Of Egypt. The same that wrote the 10 Commandments
on stone. And, the same that said "keep there be light."
I believe Him with all my heart.

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Message 1051 of 1864 (905303)
01-22-2023 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1038 by Tangle
01-22-2023 10:32 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tangle, you ask why would a living God make His creation
suffer if He had an alternative.
This is a fair question, and one that I used to ask myself.
The truth is that God wants us to experience this.
Adam and Eve had no life experiences with which to assist
them when confronted with Satan and his powers of
deception.
There are two ways of life. One is the way of "get." Satan is
the father of this way.
The other (God's way) is the way of "give."
The way of "get" is exemplified by extreme self-centeredness.
It involves greed; competition; and get ahead at all cost.
Characteristics of "get" involve jealousy, pride, lack of empathy,
and the belief that rules don't apply to them.
God's way of "give" is centered on outgoing love and genuine
concern for others. It involves co-ooeration and sharing credit
with all.
The fruits of "give" is gentleness; joy; goodness; love;
meekness; and, faith.
Satan was placed on the earth with many angels under him.
Their responsibility was to put the finishing touches to the
created earth.
Satan and his minion rebelled against God. The results was a
destroyed earth, as well as much of the solar system. Who
knows what portions of the galaxy and universe were
affected.
When God places someone in a position of power they remain
in that position until a replacement is found.
Adam was to replace Satan, but he failed to qualify.
God was aware that Adam would fail long before it
came to fruition.
This is why Christ clearly understood long before the
foundation of the earth that He would die for our sins.
What humans experience under the rule of Satan and his
way of get is pain, misery and death.
It can be extremely painful at times to be a human living
in a world governed by "get."
But, it gives us what Adam and Eve didn't have when
confronted by Satan. And, that is the knowledge of the
heartache caused by this way of life.
Look at all the wars that have bee the result of (not God)
sin.
Matthew tells us that a time is coming that we would
completely destroy all life on earth if Christ did not
come back and intervene.
We will know beyond any doubt the results of living
under Satan and his way of "get."
The vast majority of Christians believe that the second
resurrection is when sinners will be sentenced to hell.
But, this is far from the truth. The second resurrection is
a resurrection to correction.
The books of life are opened. This is the same as opening
the tree of life, or the water of life for all humans who have
ever lived, with the exception of those in the first resurrection.
There are some who devoted their lives to Satan and his cause
for wealth, power, and fame who will be in the third resurrection
when they will be sentenced to eternal death.
Also, some are so evil and despicable that they will also be
In the third resurrection.
In any event, those in the second resurrection (who are
raised as flesh and blood human) will be told that Christ
hàs paid their death penalty. What they do from that
point forward determined their eternity.
Christ will give each of us an opportunity to live life the
way he intends for us.
He will not have to say take my word for it that my way
is far better; we will have our former life to compare it
with.
Those who allow God's Holy Spirit to change them will
Be turned to living Sons of God. Part of the God family.
Those who do not change will then be destroyed for all
of eternity. Since they were resurrected as flesh and
blood they will be consumed.
There is much, much more than this. This is simply a
condensed version.

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Message 1053 of 1864 (905306)
01-22-2023 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1052 by nwr
01-22-2023 4:15 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Nwr, you know that this isn't what i am suggesting.
It is the Spirit of a sound mind.
It gives us strength to exert self-control over our
lives.
The Holy Spirit has enabled me to overcome many
faults and weaknesses during my life. I still have to
guard against my desires.
The Holy Spirit contains the very minds of Jesus and
the Father.
A person who has never had the Holy Spirit dwell in
them is not one who should be offering suggestions
about It.
If you do not want to believe that Adam and Eve were
real people, then don't.
The Holy Bible, as well as Jesus, says they were
real.
And, I believe it completely.
And, as I said before, the number of people who
believe a certain way has nothing to do with
whether something is true or not.

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Message 1056 of 1864 (905310)
01-22-2023 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1054 by Tangle
01-22-2023 5:11 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tangle, evil would be to create humans as mindless
robots that have no emotions or self determination.
We humans, under the influence of Satan, cause each
other pain and suffering.
God would rather us not smoke but He won't prevent
our hand from into our shit pocket for a cigarette.
Not bearing false witness does not cause evil to happen.
Not stealing doesn't cause evil things to happen.
Not committing adultery/fornication doesn't cause
unwanted pregnancies or divorces.
To love thy neighbor as thyself does not cause wars or
violence against each other.
Pain and suffering is not the result of following God's
laws but are the results of not following His laws.
The same still holds true though. In order for us to
decide which way of life we prefer we must experience
both.
God knows this.
A few decades of pain and suffering doesn't compare to
an eternity of true happiness and joy.

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Message 1075 of 1864 (905337)
01-23-2023 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1057 by Tangle
01-23-2023 4:10 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tangle, tell me how it is possible to create an
environment without pain and suffering when the
inhabitants are flesh and blood humans.
Humans have needs. We have emotions; often strong
emotions.
Humans get sick. We feel pain. We feel jealousy.
Those who join the God family will be Spirit Beings.
We will not have physical needs.
Our character of outgoing love for each other will be
permanent.
Now you tell me how it is possible for human beings
To live in absolute joy without anything bad ever
happening to them.
God owes us nothing. However, He is offering each of
us the opportunity to become a member of the God
family.
But, He knows the best way to do this.
Pain and suffering are not enjoyable but they do help
us to grow and realize how much we need for Christ
to return to earth and set up His Kingdom.
He gave us a taste of what His Kingdom will be like
when healed the sick and fed the poor.
You still need to tell us exactly how mortal humans can
live without experiencing any pain and suffering.
If you were all powerful, how would you accomplish this?

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Message 1082 of 1864 (905379)
01-25-2023 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1080 by GDR
01-23-2023 4:49 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
GDR, Plato, as well as many other nations, both ancient
and modern, believe that the soul is an immortal entity.
The vast majority of Christian churches believe this
same concept.
The Apostles, as well as God's true church, does not
believe this, because it is not Biblical.
In the OT the Word "soul" comes from the Hebrew
nephesh. It refers to a breathing animal.
Notice in Genesis 2:7 that Adam became a breathing
soul after God breathed the breath of life into him.
Before God breathed life into the soul (Adam) it (soul)
had neither consciousness nor awareness.
The creatures in Acts1:21, 24; 2:19 and 9:10, 12,15, 16,
as well as numerous other places are from "nephesh",
a soul.
Ezekiel 18:4, 20 states very clearly that the soul can
indeed die.
In Matthew 16:25-26 the Greek word for soul (psuche)
is used for both life and soul.
25 "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and
whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it."
26. "For what is a man profited, if he should gain the
whole world, and lose his own soul (life)? Or what shall
a man give in exchange for his soul (life)."
I am going to finish this, but it will have to wait for an
hour or so.
Two of the workers at the animal shelter where I
volunteer are sick. I must go check on the welfare of
several horses. Someone called and reported them as
being neglected.

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Message 1083 of 1864 (905385)
01-25-2023 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1080 by GDR
01-23-2023 4:49 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
GDR, most of the world believes that when we die we
live on in another form or substance. The vast majority
of Christian churches also teach this.
They teach that we are still conscious after death. Most
of them teach that only our physical body dies.
The men who wrote the Holy Bible record a completely
different perspective.
Very carefully read Job 14:10-15; Psalms 146: 3-4;
Ecclesiastical 9:4-6, 10, as well as numerous other
passages.
What these passages prove to us is that when an
individual dies his very thoughts perish.
They show us that they have no consciousness; that
the living know they will die but the dead no nothing.
When we die our wisdom and knowledge perishes. We
can longer devise, plan, or scheme.
Job asks God to appoint him a set time and remember
him.
Job states that he would wait his appointed time in the
grave until his change came. His change will occur at
the first resurrection when he would be raised with a
spirit body as a born again son of God. A member of
the God family.
King David was a man after God's on heart. He is
mentioned more times in the Bible than anyone, even
Abraham and Moses.
Peter tells us in Acts 2: 29, 34 that David is still dead
and buried, and that He has not ascended to heaven.
Read Hebrews 11, the faith chapter. Notice that all these
great men of faith died without receiving the promise.
That promise was/is eternal life. But they will receive
this promise at the first resurrection.
Jesus said that no man had ascended to heaven. John 3:13.
Pagans teach that everyone lives on after death.
The Holy Bible doesn't.
The Bible teaches only Christ can bring us back to
consciousness.
The owner of the horses is on his way home. I will show
that members of the God family will receive a spiritual
body, just like their heavenly father.

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Message 1084 of 1864 (905389)
01-25-2023 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1080 by GDR
01-23-2023 4:49 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
GDR, take a look at Exodus 33:18-23. Moses was allow
to see Jesus in all His glory. But, he was only allowed to
see the backside of Him.
One could not even look on His face because he would
die.
The prophet Daniel was allowed to see the angel Gabriel
in his spiritual body. Daniel 10; 6.
Daniel describes him as having a body like beryl; face as
the appearance of lightning; eyes as lamps of fire; arms
and feet like polished brass; and, a voice as a multitude.
The Apostle Paul states those who become members of
the God family will judge (rule over them) angels. 1 Cor.
6:3-5.
Romans 8:17 states that we will be joint-heirs with Christ.
That we will be glorified together.
As Christ is so shall we be.
Read the rest of this chapter, especially vs. 29.
All who become members of the God family will then
conform to the image of Christ. We will conform to the
spiritual image of Chrict.
2 Peter 1:4 states that we will be partakers of God's
devine nature.
Philippians 3:21 tells us that Christ will change our vile
body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious
body.
As sons of God we will inherit all things. The entire
universe will be at our disposal.
We will then set about beautifying the entire universe.
God's occupation is that of a Creator. And so will we be.
There is now more than 200 galaxies for every human
who has ever lived. This is a very conservative estimate.
Each member of the God family will have countless angels
under them to assist them with their work.
As members of the God family we will have dominion
over all things.
In Psalms 147:4 God knows the numbers of stars, and He
calls all the stars in the universe by name.
In order for us to exercise dominion we must have a
spiritual body in order to withstand the raging thermo-
nuclear furnaces of more than 60 billion trillion sun's
and every subatomic particle of every atom in the
universe.
There's much more than this but this is all I have the time
for.

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