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ringo
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Message 1708 of 3694 (904828)
01-08-2023 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1697 by Dredge
01-08-2023 1:34 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
Dredge writes:
I couldn't be bothered.
I know you can't because you have no argument.
Dredge writes:
Read the article I provided
No. If you have an argument, bring it here in your own words.
Dredge writes:
I assume u can read English.
I, on the other hand, conclude that YOU can NOT read English with any kind of comprehension.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1721 of 3694 (904890)
01-10-2023 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1712 by GDR
01-09-2023 2:29 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
GDR writes:
What matters is our hearts and minds. Do we really do the things we do because we actually care about others or do we do it for show or maybe to relieve a guilty conscience?
What difference does it make? The road to Hell is paved with good intentions - i.e. bad intentions with good results are better than good intentions with bad results.
quote:
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
GDR writes:
The thigs that we do or don't do are symptoms of what matters.
The things that we do are symptoms of what is in our hearts and minds.
What believers claim about what is in their hearts and minds is all too often false.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1734 of 3694 (904960)
01-13-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1731 by GDR
01-12-2023 5:52 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
GDR writes:
Also there is a generally consensus that we should all live by the golden rule and that isn't going happen if we live a life of making bad decisions for selfish reasons. Specifically as a Christian, it is my belief that is what we are called to.
If there is a "general consensus", why do we have to be "called" to do it?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1773 of 3694 (905067)
01-16-2023 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1735 by Phat
01-13-2023 4:01 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Phat writes:
*cough* original sin *cough*..
Orighinal sin is bullshit. Swimming in it is what makes you cough.
Phat writes:
Your original sin is throwing Jesus away ...
Surprise, surprise. Original sin is another term you don't understand.
1. I do not have my own "original sin". Original sin was (supposedly) Adam and Eve's sin. Everybody (supposedly inherited the same sin from them.
2. Adam and Eve did not throw Jesus away.
3. YOU are the one who throws Jesus away. I have much more respect for the historical Jesus (such as He is) than you do.
Phat writes:
... and declaring secular evidence based thinking as a superior model.
1. All evidence is secular.
2. Evidence-based thinking IS the superior model.
You're packing so much stupid into one sentence that it's hard for even me to shoot fast enough.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1774 of 3694 (905068)
01-16-2023 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1751 by GDR
01-14-2023 5:31 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
GDR writes:
The consensus is formed because of the call on all humanity.
That's an empty claim.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1776 of 3694 (905071)
01-16-2023 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1775 by Phat
01-16-2023 11:31 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Phat writes:
Its only empty because *you* have emptied your head of belief.
That's an extremely stupid statement, even for you.
It's an empty claim because IT is empty. WHAT "call on humanity"? HOW does a "call on humanity" produce a consensus in humanity?
Phat writes:
Thankfully, your heart still heeds the call...
My heart doesn't heed any call. The idea that there IS a "call' is empty.
My BRAIN has been trained to feel empathy. YOU are trying desperately to untrain your brain.
You brain is full of bullshit. It flows down your arms and through your fingers onto your keyboard.
Phat writes:
I don't worry about you as much as you do me.
I don't worry about you. You're hopelessly lost. I only post to you in the hope that nobody will follow you into enthusiastic goathood.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1778 of 3694 (905078)
01-16-2023 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1777 by Phat
01-16-2023 11:55 AM


Re: Ringo has bullets in both guns
Phat writes:
Original sin simply means that you were born with a pre-installed desire to be your own "god."
Well, that isn't what Genesis says. It was GOD who said, "They have become like one of us." Eve's intention was just to provide a nice piece of fruit for her man.
And even if we were born with the sin of liking fruit, it isn't 'my" sin, as you claimed. It's EVERYBODY's sin.
Phat writes:
It also means that you see things as right in your own eyes...
GOD said so.
Phat writes:
and mock any human attempts to describe and or define a God who knows better than you (or any human) how your life will play out...
I mock YOUR foolish attempts at describing and defining a God that YOU made up.
Phat writes:
... and how it is your responsibility to think about who or what you follow.
Make up your mind. Am I trying to avoid responsibility or am i trying to usurp responsibility?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
I do not have my own "original sin".
You have your own stubbornness and ego.
I also have my own shoes. And i have my own email account. And i have my own cellphone.
But I DO NOT have my own original sin, as I said.
Phat writes:
You brazenly say things like "Jesus doesnt exist, or Jesus isnt alive today, or Jesus was a human amalgamation...
That's no more "brazen" than saying 1 + 1 = 2.
Phat writes:
...a character invented by we evolved monkeys.
See, as i have mentioned before, you're a creationist with a very thin coat of paint.
Phat writes:
You ask stupid questions like "How do you(meaning I) know which God is the real one..
What's stupid about that question?
Phat writes:
I could go on...
But you never do. You run away from every question as if nobody had ever replied to you.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
I have much more respect for the historical Jesus (such as He is) than you do.
​Big deal. You have respect for a book written, edited, and redacted by humans.
And the point of what I said is... YOU don't. You clain to believe in Jesus - but not the Jesus in a book written, edited, and redacted by humans. You only believe in a Jesus made up by the Almighty Phat. What hubris!
Phat writes:
Your claims of respect are empty by your own beliefs.
Nonsense. My respect has nothing to do with belief. YOUR contempt is in SPITE of your professed beliefs.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Adam and Eve did not throw Jesus away.
Adam and Eve never had Jesus tto begin with
I keep telling you that but you keep insisting that Jesus was around from the beginning. make up your mind.
Phat writes:
Their original sin was allowing themselves to be wise in their own eyes.
GOD's eyes.
Phat writes:
No wonder you threw the Holy Baby, bathwater, and kitten kaboodle out the window.
That's "kit AND kaboodle".
And YOU are the one who throws Jesus out the window.
Phat writes:
You picked knowledge(evidence) over life(Jesus)
I maintain that I AM alive, so choosing evidence has not been a problem.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1791 of 3694 (905100)
01-17-2023 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1782 by GDR
01-16-2023 2:00 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
GDR writes:
The put downs that Phat survives here over the years...
Phat is here for the martyrdom.
GDR writes:
... it is really disappointing to see it in Percy.
Maybe you don't realize how frustrating it is dealing with the same old crap from you guys year after year. It's like trying to house-train a puppy - but the puppy never learns.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1814 of 3694 (905155)
01-19-2023 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1800 by Phat
01-18-2023 7:59 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Maybe you don't realize how frustrating it is dealing with the same old crap from you guys year after year. It's like trying to house-train a puppy - but the puppy never learns.
Could it be that you dont own the house that the puppy is trying to mark as his territory? Just sayin
Just sayin' the same old crap that I'm talking about. Could you EVER get the point?
It has NOTHING to do with "who owns the house".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1816 of 3694 (905161)
01-19-2023 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1805 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:42 PM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Phat writes:
This forum is about debate and discussion.
Then DISCUSS.
Phat writes:
And at its root it is about evolution and creationism.
At it's root it's about thinking and not thinking.
Phat writes:
God is an integral part of that discussion.
But you don't discuss. You only opinionate.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1817 of 3694 (905162)
01-19-2023 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1813 by Phat
01-19-2023 10:26 AM


Re: There is harm, there is foul
Phat writes:
The modus operendi of your political platform is to gather together all of the people who self identify as oppressed and aim your wrath at conservatives due to their privilege which you whine about since you claim it is unearned.
You're an idiot.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1819 of 3694 (905165)
01-19-2023 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1815 by Phat
01-19-2023 10:45 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Phat writes:
It has to do with what is being taught in the house.
Then why did you bring up that nonsense about "who owns the house"?
Phat writes:
It has to do with what is being taught in the house.
What's being taught is don't mess up the house.
Phat writes:
This puppy does not want masters who know nothing about what they are trying to train and teach.
It doesn't matter what the puppy wants. If the puppy can't be trained, it goes back to the pound.
Phat writes:
This puppy does not want masters who know nothing about what they are trying to train and teach.
But they DO know what they're trying to teach. You're afraid to discuss what they're trying to teach.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1820 of 3694 (905166)
01-19-2023 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1818 by Phat
01-19-2023 10:59 AM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Phat writes:
Every book ever written is based on the opinion of the author.
Nonsense. I am currently re-reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer. It's based on TONS of documents captured from the Nazis after the war.
We know that YOU only read books full of empty opinions but don't tar every book with the same dirty brush that you use.
Phat writes:
Furthermore, whats different about a discussion and an opinion?
For the umpteenth time, a discussion addresses rebuttals of the opinion.
Phat writes:
A discussion is when two or more insert their informed (or uninformed) opinions into the record of the discussion for later criticism and peer review.
No. It is not for "later" criticism and peer review. It is for ongoing discussion. And peer review has nothing to do with it.
Without ongoning discussion, you are not discussing.
Discuss the rebuttals. Stop grave-digging old PRATTS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1846 of 3694 (905322)
01-23-2023 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1844 by Dredge
01-23-2023 10:27 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Dredge writes:
So-called Christians who don't believe in the Real Presence aren't true Christians. Their watered-down version of Christianity is unbiblical, amateurish, erroneous and fake.
And your IQ is 9, so how could you possibly understand what the grown-ups are talking about?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1874 of 3694 (905467)
01-27-2023 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1854 by Phat
01-24-2023 2:53 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Phat writes:
Gravity is an impersonal force. It makes no impression upon human behavior. Jesus, by contrast, is (according to scripture) The living truth.
Jesus is impersonal to most. He only makes an impression on a small minority.
Phat writes:
The only way to "The Father"..ie GOD.
The only way to the Father is by the way, the truth and the light. The way is by following the commandments, principally by loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.
Phat writes:
you may well counsel me to "throw the book away"
I, for one, constantly counsel you NOT to throw the book away.
Phat writes:
When one thinks they have the final answer, they do not simply throw it away or set it aside in the hopes of a more favorable answer. We see it as a trap.
Thinking you have the final answer is a trap.
Phat writes:
I only claim to know one thing. He knows everything.
Of course you couldn't possibly know that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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