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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Your response indicates that you are as racist as I am charged to be. FYI I usually like to push liberal buttons around here but my behavior in no way mirrors my actual life---not that any of you would know (or care).
I am aware of the whole theory of White Privilege but am appalled that you feel allowed to vilify the white race for such an event in History. Woulda Coulda Shoulda...yeah we (all of us) could have gotten along better and yet racism and social inequality (including gender) still exist. If God exists, He is most assuredly aware of our conversations....and yes, I will be judged for every idle word that spews from my mouth. He likely is annoyed that I am lukewarm---neither cold nor hot. That being said, Percy finally framed my argument with ringo in practical terms. ringo, ignoring his belief that the Bible is merely a product of man and that God and Jesus never existed, still tries to pin me down with my own supposed belief. Basically, we all are arguing in circles. Ringo will state that it matters not whether the character in any book is actually real. He will say that if I believe in said character (Jesus) as being beyond the book, there is no reason for me NOT to give everything up. It would be insulting, by the way, to be a "Christian beggar" and be forced to rely on unbelievers to get fed. Not that the Bible doesn't suggest this as a good scenario."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Trust me I am well aware of Denver's explosive growth in homeless populations. My workplace, a grocery store, is directly one block off of the Colfax corridor.
The homeless by and large were booted out of the center of town (Civic Center) which is a park between the City and County Building and the State Capital. While trying not to lump (or stereotype ALL of these homeless as being the same, I will say that the facts indicate a majority of them are hooked on Fentanyl or Meth...among the percentage that commits crimes against property (and person). For local businesses such as my employer, it is a nightmare. Previously, the upper management solved the financial loss part of the equation through pricey insurance that covered most of their losses. Now they are trying something new. They are about to employ off-duty cops to let the shoplifters know that this isn't just a free and open source of survival...it is, after all, a business. In my arguments here at EvC, I realize that my duties as a Christian include helping these people...and many of us at my store do buy them a meal when we can....though we are not about to give it all up and work just for them. We too have families in need and bills to pay---just as Percy suggests. Ringos argument that *some* of the early church were obedient to give all that they had was in a different time and context....it would literally wreck the economy if all who claimed to be Christian did it now (assuming they had strong enough faith.) We also now have cameras on all of our self-checkouts so that if someone makes a wrong move it is caught on videotape. This newfangled camera system is very accurate and Orwellian. This leaves it up to us to trust people in general despite the overwhelming presence of lots of shoplifters. And which I do. People like me by and large."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
nwr writes: Perhaps I overreacted.
Perhaps you should explain because I don't see anything racist in Theodoric's post. you are seriously misunderstanding what ringo writes. Sometimes I seriously misunderstand what I write,also. My last post is more in line with the world I live in."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Let's get in each other's personal business, Mr.Fuentes.
First of all, I am NOT criticizing the poor. At worst, I am critical of theft and am glad that we are now allowed to check cameras and defend ourselves to a limited degree. That being said, I have come a long way towards empathyfor the poor....even the thieves. Most of the thieves *ARE* on drugs...we can see them tweaking as they leave, and some go into our restrooms to shoot up. That does NOT mean that I hate them. And how dare you all accuse me of being entitled? I paid the payments on my apartment long before I inherited it. Yes, I am privileged as are you, Brian. My only gripe is with a system that would raise taxes on the middle working class in order to help the lower class...while ignoring the theft at the top. Yes, we are entitled. We all need humility. But we also need effective leaders who don't keep raising the debt ceiling to pay for projects that will have ALL of us owing for the rest of our lives. I don't fully trust the global financial system."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Thanks for replying to me civilly. I do not want to stalk or dox you (whatever that means and apologize for it. I was just mad that you somehow knew that I had inherited my condo. It really went outside the protocol of EvC.
I am not a wealthy man, apart from my home being paid for, and I still have homeowner fees where I live, so I need to keep working until I get (hopefully) Social Security and Medicare. I have no real money saved up that would last me through retirement so ironically I will be depending totally and wholly on the government. It scares me and this is one reason I keep researching the solvency of the United States. I worry about the future for all of us but it likely comes across that I selfishly only worry about myself. I'm working on that one. My Home is a modest one-bedroom and as Percy suggests, keeps me from being homeless myself. I have a lot of health issues and would die very quickly were I out there. I vent on this forum about shoplifters because it really irritates all of us at work.We have to work for everything we have and the impression (I get)is that a small segment of the population feels that shoplifting is their solution and even a right or necessity. That being said, I have learned not to hate or despise those who for whatever reason keep doing the same thing. If a man or woman comes and takes a few sandwiches or some food, it does not bother me. I empathize with their plight. It is the ones (repeatedly...we know some of them by sight) who take $200.00 or more a pop. That's more than we make since we see them several times a week. I feel that the answer I get around here (EvC) is that it is Republican policies that are to blame. This is too simplistic of an answer for me. This topic is Conversations with God, and I can honestly say that I have had a lot of one-way conversations as I age and struggle with health issues. What I get is that I should listen more.But then again, were I homeless, I don't really know what I would actually do to survive. Death would be preferable in my case. Edited by Phat, : fixed my punctuation and what I really wanted to say "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theo writes: In the Denver Metro area, the Safeways(and grocery stores in general) who are on or near major bus lines are by far the hardest hit by shoplifters, the majority of whom are on foot, though a smaller minority are driving nicer cars than you or I own! The latter are likely organized crime. Shoplifting is an issue, always has been, always will be. But it is not a crisis as they made it out to be. Thats not what we observe nor what our security sees. They travel to all of the stores and have identified the same suspects again and again. (this irritates me greatly, by the way) The average loss at one of my employers stores is $2500.00 a day. At the store I work at, the figure is closer to $3,500.00 a day. It seems to have been a made up excuse by Walgreen's to exit "undesireable" areas. A company needs no excuse to exit The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I had reliable data. I got it from the Store Director.
This is reputable evidence that Walgreens lied. Do you dispute that? Your article has a few specifics which I will address.
How Walgreens manufactured a media frenzy about shoplifting Tesnim Zekeria and Judd Legum: So there you have my response. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, . The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Pot, Meet Kettle.
Theodoric, in another thread writes: I answered you and you failed to respond. Maybe you should look in the mirror before getting on my case about not answering your replies. And you are a closet racist against white conservative males, as are many Democrats. In fact, you guys wont be happy until the global white "privileged" pay back every dime of the bill that you claim they owe. Meanwhile, you vote for an old codger of a president who is as dishonest as Trump (except that he has a friendly and biased media on his side, unlike Trump) and this old cuss has cabinets full of all of the marginalized people who were appointed not because of their skill but because of their oppressed identities, hence a large proportion of LGTBQ appointees. You champion a minority woman who is an activist against conservatism and white privilege, yet deride me for daring to put Candice Owens up against your beloved Alexandra Ocasio Cortez. (There is no way that I could "wipe the floor" with Ms.Cortez...I would have a disadvantage from the start simply by being an aging white male with a conservative bent. ) I will tell you though that Candace Owens is more than a match for Ms.Cortez politically and intellectually. Maybe you should learn what racism means. I can not be racist against conservative white males. I will let you figure out why.Oh by the way, your rock is over there...it awaits The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Authoritarianism cuts both ways. The difference is that Liberals claim that they are acting in the best interests of *all* of the people regardless of the peoples consent. They deny being authoritarian.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
She is Rep. Ocasio-Cortez. She is a highly educated and accomplished woman, no matter how misogynist and racist you want to be. OK, fine. I suspect that you like her not because of her education so much as you agree with her politics. I notice you made no attempt to dig up any dirt on her, as you were all too eager to do with Candace Owens.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
hmmmm.
Wiki writes: Now....Dr.Jones* (Not an actual Doctor) I don't believe that we have ever formally had a discussion. Tell us a bit about yourself. Are you retired? Working? What was(is) your line of work? Inquiring idiots want to know! n idiot, in modern use, is a stupid or foolish person. 'Idiot' was formerly a technical term in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard themself against common physical dangers. The term was gradually replaced by 'profound mental retardation', which has since been replaced by other terms.[1] Along with terms like moron, imbecile, retard and cretin, its use to describe people with mental disabilities is considered archaic and offensive.[2] Moral idiocy refers to a moral disability. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ addressing Dr.Jones writes: No AZ. He is right. I have no right to know who he is or what he does. But he called me an idiot, for crying out loud! This is a non-partisan issue. Biden has as many skeletons and documents in his closet as Trump did. Why must the media protect one and not the other? And why are conservatives more likely to be idiots while liberals are portrayed as victims? This is OUR forum. You should be forced to answer his questions. All of them. And Theodoric always screams "mind your own business!" when it is usually him who digs up dirt on every conservative and apologist in the county! And don't tell me that there is not enough dirt for both classes of politicians!The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I meant to say anti-republican rather than anti authoritarian. One side supports their own brand of authoritarianism and villifies the other sides brand (of authoritarianism).
Your side opposes profiling, which is a valid argument, but what the shoplifters do is use that to their advantage. They steal right in front of your face while daring you to produce evidence that they are doing so. Granted it does not help to objectify and catergorize them, since everyone is an individual and does in fact have civil rights. The fact is, the bad apples hide in the midst of the masses and pick their target.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You seem to advocate looking the other way and letting these people get something for nothing at the expense of the rest of us. Sad.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Thanks for your succinct explanation.
Ted Cruz recently took on your beloved AOC and showed the other side of the border argument that she glosses over.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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