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Message 1735 of 3694 (904990)
01-13-2023 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1734 by ringo
01-13-2023 10:45 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
ringo writes:
If there is a "general consensus", why do we have to be "called" to do it?
*cough* original sin *cough*... Your original sin is throwing Jesus away and declaring secular evidence based thinking as a superior model. There is still time to repent, though. God forbid *you* become a goat.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1736 of 3694 (904991)
01-13-2023 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1732 by Percy
01-13-2023 7:49 AM


Mindfulness
Percy writes:
Christianity doesn't make better people. Nothing makes better people. What Christianity does is give people a good excuse to do evil in the name of good.
I think that mindfulness and self awareness, coupled with honesty does in fact make better people.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1741 of 3694 (905009)
01-14-2023 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1740 by Theodoric
01-13-2023 10:14 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
What precisely is this vile? What emotions is it composed of? Be more specific

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1746 of 3694 (905017)
01-14-2023 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1743 by Theodoric
01-14-2023 10:13 AM


Re: Phat follow the conversation if you want to comment
Oh Brother!
Theo writes:
read the comment I was responding to.
OK...
Lets go back.
GDR writes:
Then you would consider buying a homeless person a meal martyrdom. Is sending aid to help someone in an impoverished nation martyrdom; is visiting a sick person martyrdom; is cheerfully brightening up the day for a check-out person at the grocery store martyrdom; and is working to help refugees in a camp to immigrate, and then helping support them martyrdom?
Tangle writes:
I'd consider doing those day-to-day things as simply being human and having consideration for others. What has smiling at a check out person got to do with "sacrificial love"? There's something deeply sickening about those words. Something really narcissistic.
Which led to you saying:
Theo writes:
And people like him have the audacity to expect we should accept the vile they spew.
Still confusing. So I went back further.
Tangle, responding to GDR writes:
Yes you believe all this stuff, fine, so much we know, it's kind of revolting but I'll get over it. What I'm trying to get at is why all this ingratiation is necessary? You tell us that people do not need to do it nor even be a Christian in order to satisfy God's criteria. It seems to me that your martyrdom cult is more than a little self-serving.
So again, my question.
I am responding to your comment:
Theodorics Ongoing Rant writes:
And people like him have the audacity to expect we should accept the vile they spew.
So who is "him"? GDR? The hypothetical homeless person? The hypothetical checkout person? Im trying to figure out who *you* think is "spewing vile". Sounds like your little antichrist demon mouthing off.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1775 of 3694 (905069)
01-16-2023 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1774 by ringo
01-16-2023 11:18 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Its only empty because *you* have emptied your head of belief. Thankfully, your heart still heeds the call, so I don't worry about you as much as you do me.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1777 of 3694 (905072)
01-16-2023 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1773 by ringo
01-16-2023 11:10 AM


Ringo has bullets in both guns
ringo writes:
You're packing so much stupid into one sentence that it's hard for even me to shoot fast enough.
Lets see what yyou just said this morning, shall we?
ringo writes:
Original sin is another term you don't understand.
So we have "Mr.Dictionary from Saskatchewan" over here! Original sin simply means that you were born with a pre-installed desire to be your own "god." It also means that you see things as right in your own eyes and mock any human attempts to describe and or define a God who knows better than you (or any human) how your life will play out and how it is your responsibility to think about who or what you follow.
I do not have my own "original sin".
You have your own stubbornness and ego. The apple does not fall far from the tree. You brazenly say things like "Jesus doesnt exist, or Jesus isnt alive today, or Jesus was a human amalgamation...a character invented by we evolved monkeys. You ask stupid questions like "How do you(meaning I) know which God is the real one.. I could go on...however:
ringo writes:
I have much more respect for the historical Jesus (such as He is) than you do.
Big deal. You have respect for a book written, edited, and redacted by humans. Your claims of respect are empty by your own beliefs.
Adam and Eve did not throw Jesus away.
Adam and Eve never had Jesus tto begin with, since they ate from the wrong tree. They had nothing to throw away.
Original sin was (supposedly) Adam and Eve's sin.
Their original sin was allowing themselves to be wise in their own eyes. It was meant to happen as a story and lesson for all of us.
1. All evidence is secular.
No wonder you threw the Holy Baby, bathwater, and kitten kaboodle out the window. You picked knowledge(evidence) over life(Jesus)

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1798 of 3694 (905125)
01-18-2023 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1797 by Theodoric
01-18-2023 6:23 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
I note that you are angry at Christian "self-righteousness" but curse God by saying God Damn. It is really Him that you are angry at. And don't tell me i'm wrong...its my opinion and I'll say it. You and your private beliefs need to reckon with each other.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1799 of 3694 (905126)
01-18-2023 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1796 by GDR
01-18-2023 5:35 PM


Private Beliefs and Public Evidence
Percy, addressing GDR writes:
I may have said one thing that's misleading. I called myself a theist, but I don't know if God intervenes in the universe. Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. If a theist is someone who believes God intervenes, and a deist is someone who believes he doesn't, then what do you call someone who doesn't know? I have no idea.
I suspect that you dont worry about it too much...which is fine in my opinion. At the end of the day, none of us really know. I guess I would call such a person either an agnostic or a seeker. You seem to be a seeker of evidence and it is that which allows you to sleep at night. Just my opinion, though.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1800 of 3694 (905127)
01-18-2023 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1791 by ringo
01-17-2023 10:48 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
ringo, addressing GDR writes:
Maybe you don't realize how frustrating it is dealing with the same old crap from you guys year after year. It's like trying to house-train a puppy - but the puppy never learns.
Could it be that you dont own the house that the puppy is trying to mark as his territory? Just sayin

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1802 of 3694 (905130)
01-18-2023 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1801 by Theodoric
01-18-2023 8:54 PM


Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Theogruffidic writes:
So go mind you own damn business.
Perhaps you are worried that GDR might persuade Percy to become more of a Theist. That would certainly be worrisome if any of the peanut gallery defected from your global marxist oligarchy.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1805 of 3694 (905135)
01-18-2023 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1803 by Theodoric
01-18-2023 11:30 PM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
This forum is about debate and discussion. It is about free speech. And at its root it is about evolution and creationism. God is an integral part of that discussion. The fact that you dont like to hear "preaching" in no way concerns me. If you dont like a topic, ignore it rather than inserting your mouth into it and demanding that a moderator silence me. For the record...yes, you have every right to tell me to mind my own damn business when it pertains to you personally. You have every right to dig up dirt on Candace Owens and protect Representative Ocasio Cortez. Its called freedom of speech. Our only guideline in our free speech is not to hate or slander others. In our forum, we apply that primarily to our personal members. Public figures such as Trump, Biden and Cortez (and Owens) are expected to be criticized a bit more by the public than are EvC Forum members.
So yes, I DO know what this forum is about. *points to rock and motions Theodoric to go back under it*

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1806 of 3694 (905136)
01-19-2023 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1804 by nwr
01-18-2023 11:36 PM


Choosing A Faith Remix
nwr writes:
There isn't any "global marxist oligarchy".
I knew that that comment would stir something up!
Lest we stray off topic too much, lets steer back to GDR's original intent concerning choosing a faith. Keep in mind that choosing a faith is to a lesser degree choosing a world view and an ideology. Though its hard, it might be better to seperate politics from religion in this definition.
I just finished my latest book, The War On The West and will discuss both Faith and Politics in my Book Nook topic.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1811 of 3694 (905149)
01-19-2023 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1810 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 9:24 AM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Perhaps I conflated your responses collectiively. You *did* always send me back under my rock but I laughed and said the same thing to you. No harm no foul.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1813 of 3694 (905152)
01-19-2023 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1812 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 9:51 AM


Re: There is harm, there is foul
You are such a whiner and are a poster child forr the victim mentality of the Liberal progressives. I doubt whether you ever actually read any of the books whose authors you call racist. The modus operendi of your political platform is to gather together all of the people who self identify as oppressed and aim your wrath at conservatives due to their privilege which you whine about since you claim it is unearned. Your rock awaits.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1815 of 3694 (905156)
01-19-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1814 by ringo
01-19-2023 10:43 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
It has to do with what is being taught in the house. This puppy does not want masters who know nothing about what they are trying to train and teach.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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