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AZPaul3
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Message 257 of 530 (885033)
03-19-2021 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by anglagard
03-19-2021 3:05 PM


Re: Why You People Think The Way You Do
Thank you. I hadn't thought of Joseph Campbell in some time.
He's been a strong influencer on my world view though I fell atheist instead of any pantheism. But he had strong input into my analyses.
I'm thinking it might be nice to search out some of his talks. Especially his Bill Moyers interviews.
I would enjoy that, again. Thank you.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 263 of 530 (885051)
03-20-2021 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Phat
03-20-2021 9:35 AM


Re: Why You People Think The Way You Do
The bottom line is that jar thinks the Biblical Christians are engaged in fantasy, as do you AZPaul3.
In spades. On steroids. Fantasy Island is you, yes.
you have no clue as to the reality of God (through Jesus).
That's just the thing. Yes we do. There is nothing there. And you can't show otherwise.

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AZPaul3
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Message 264 of 530 (885053)
03-20-2021 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Phat
03-20-2021 9:54 AM


Re: Why You People Think The Way You Do
Go ahead,AZPaul3. Keep insisting that all religions are the same. Which is why Mr.Deity never understood God to begin with. He was Mormon, for crying out loud!
The only differences among religions are the specific elements of a specific creed.
None of which are in any way important.
The shared attribute of all religions is belief; an insistence, using emotion not evidence, that gods exist.
Mormon, Jew, Mennonite, Hindu, it doesn't matter. The emotional insistence, without actual physical evidence, that belief constitutes reality is the one major feature of all religions. Such insistence on belief is the enemy of reason, logic, reality. In this all religion is the same.

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AZPaul3
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Message 268 of 530 (885059)
03-20-2021 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
03-20-2021 3:24 PM


Re: Why You People Think The Way You Do
Did it ever occur to you that "the enemy" itself does not want us to believe?
Hey, what good a devil would I be if wanted you to believe? Actually, now that I think on it, belief is good. It’s the only thing that keeps me going. Without your faith, I am nothing.
Does it make any sense that Were there a Creator of all seen and unseen whose only interaction with humanity was an appearance at a point in time as a human?
I think I missed something vital in here, Phat.
Does it make sense that were there a god who came as jesus? … who came as jesus and what? There appears to be a word or a clause that was skipped. I’m not trying to be grammar police (lord knows how many times I do it, daily) but I’m thinking I missed something important.
I dont believe this stuff simply to fit in or because it was the dogma I was taught.
That’s ok. I’ll believe that enough for the both of us. Culture is strong on the human soul.
You guys are free to accuse them of fantasy, denial of "evidence" and selective bias.
I don’t know about ‘you guys’ but I accuse. Accused as requested. Doesn’t change much of anything.
My question to you is why is such a scenario outside of your realm of possibility?
What kind of possibility? The science kind of “reasonable within generally acceptable extensions of established physical law”? Or the religious kind of “anything goes”?
One requires evidence, the other, not so much. You can “possible” your way into anything you want to believe. If you want to talk possible I prefer the science kind.
And so my answer is, with what we know of the universe, the planet, the history of human affairs, psychology, geology, lotsa –ologies the possibility of such a scenario as you want it to be, is staggeringly bad. I mean real bad. El stinko. To the point of no value in any discussions of the cosmos.
Such scenarios are the stuff of childhood acculturation. Or abuse, as we call it in the human world, maybe.

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AZPaul3
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Message 269 of 530 (885060)
03-20-2021 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Phat
03-20-2021 3:26 PM


Re: Why You People Think The Way You Do
Why do I need to show otherwise? You have not successfully shown that there is nothing there.
Uhh, Phat?
You really want me to try to prove a negative?
You know that's not allowed from the most basic logic? As in mathematically rigorous it's a big no no, you can't do that kinda impossible, and thus, worthless task?
You know this stuff. Or should.

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AZPaul3
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Message 271 of 530 (885065)
03-20-2021 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Mercury
03-20-2021 6:17 PM


Re: Why You People Think The Way You Do
How can you understand Jesus if you do not understand the Essenes? How can you understand the Essenes if you do not understand Judaism?
Would that help him in his understanding of reality? Seems to me that just layering another body of superstitions over his present ones (or under them, however that works) doesn’t sound like it would be all that enlightening.
Don’t get me wrong, studying other cultures and religions can be very instructive into how and why societies are as they are. But your motives seem more sinister. Are you trying to strengthen his delusions?
As an intellectual exercise, to see the various crap the different religions concoct to explain their own existence and claims to power, other cultures can be fascinating.
I don’t think that’s what you had in mind, though. But, it might be just my lunch.

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AZPaul3
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Message 365 of 530 (885920)
04-28-2021 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by Stile
04-28-2021 1:06 PM


Re: Charismatic Chaos Revisited
If you're deciding on a spouse - you should take into account your wishy-washy feelings along with all the other facts and give them a much higher priority than normal.
And no one is disagreeing. Those wishy-washy feelings are a major, you might say near overwhelming, fact that needs to be taken into due consideration at full emotional affect with all the other seemingly mundane considerations of actually putting lives together. The weight given each element, each fact, and its place in the decision hierarchy is a matter for the individual to decide.
But, I submit to you, the decision is being made in a fact-based way. We are talking a fact-based decision model. Or should be if you care to make a more successful decision. As in one that actually works out since it was planned to foster its own success.
As I said previously, if the decision affects nothing important, like people's lives, then a feelings-based decision method is good enough. Anything else should involve more intellect.
And, no, I do not recognize a feelings-based decision method using any facts at all. As soon as some pesky fact (other than the fact that you got the feels) pops up it poisons everything and crushes it down like a black hole into a fact-based method. Instant collapse.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 377 of 530 (885973)
04-30-2021 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Phat
04-30-2021 12:52 PM


Re: Why Pressie Ringo Became An Atheist
Besides, why are only we called to do it? Thats not very fair is it.
Phat! Wake up! That's a creed of your chosen religion. You embrace a religion or you leave it.
Cafeteria christianity? Makes belief easy. Just another team built in your image to root for on Sunday.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 464 of 530 (905095)
01-17-2023 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by DrJones*
01-16-2023 8:49 PM


Re: Conversations behind Gods back: Rant#1
I don't see how that's any of your business
This is OUR forum. You should be forced to answer his questions. All of them.
And the reason why is cuz I can't wait to see what you come up with.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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