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Message 106 of 114 (904939)
01-12-2023 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
01-11-2023 1:57 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Phat writes:
You cant very well mandate electric vehicles when your blessed poor people cannot afford them.
BUSES, moron. Nobody is suggesting that every welfare recipient should buy a Tesla.
Phat writes:
And passing the expense on to the next class up only brings that class down.
Nonsense, AGAIN. Helping the poor brings your greedy class UP.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 107 of 114 (904940)
01-12-2023 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by marc9000
01-11-2023 9:26 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
"Sell less, sell fewer". How is that achieved specifically? New laws for the sellers? New laws for the buyers?
I don't know what they do in your banana republic but the Canadian government prefers incentives. Go ahead and look it up. I'll wait.
Doot de doo de doo....
Got it yet?
One incentive we have is the Carbon Tax (more of a disincentive, actually) which the idiot Conservatives oppose. Use more carbon, pay more tax. It isn't rocket science. Even an idiot Conservative should be able to understand that.
marc9000 writes:
All oil companies get downsized by laws?
No laws. Higher taxes on carbon cause less demand. And even downsizing isn't necessary. We'll still need the energy. The compmnies that are killing us now with their carbon COULD change to energy sources that don't kill us. Instead of spending billions to develop new oilfields from Antarctica to Timbuctu, they COULD be investing in solar farms and wind farms.
marc9000 writes:
Buyers aren't permitted by laws to buy what they want and need?
Why are you fascists so obsessed with laws?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 108 of 114 (904944)
01-12-2023 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by marc9000
01-11-2023 9:21 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
Yes I know, and that mitigation is to do it QUICKLY. The Green New Deal was proposed by A.O.C. in 2019. It's now 2023. 7 more years to 2030, 4 years since 2019. The Green New Deal proposes 100% clean energy by 2030.
The Green New Deal was entirely aspirational. There is no teeth in it. Why are conservatives so obsessed with it?
Without drastic new authoritarian laws?
Are there any laws you don't think are authoritarian?
WHAT LAWS? Does anyone here know what the word "specific" means?
Subsidies, carbon taxes, tax credits for purchasing an electric car, tax credits for home improvements that reduce your carbon footprint, tax credits for installing solar . . . on and on and on. Economic incentives and disincentives. Tax fossil fuels and use that tax to subsidize greener technologies.
What are the proposals to do with all the new fossil fuel burning cars and trucks and farm machinery and construction machinery that's being built in 2023? Throw it all away? How many more trillions in debt to cover all that waste?
No one is asking anything to be thrown away. Where do you come up with this?
The plan is to incentivize greener technologies, so farmers could see tax credits for purchasing hydrogen or electric powered equipment when they become available. You could see grants and subsidies going to companies that are designing and manufacturing greener technologies.
This isn't that hard to figure out.

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Message 109 of 114 (904947)
01-12-2023 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Taq
01-12-2023 1:55 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
The plan is to incentivize greener technologies, so farmers could see tax credits for purchasing hydrogen or electric powered equipment when they become available. You could see grants and subsidies going to companies that are designing and manufacturing greener technologies.
And remove all subsidies and tax incentives from oil, gas, and coal industries and put them on wind and solar and energy storage. They already make billions in profits and it's way past time for them to pay their fair share of taxes.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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marc9000
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Message 110 of 114 (905042)
01-14-2023 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Taq
01-12-2023 1:55 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
The Green New Deal was entirely aspirational. There is no teeth in it. Why are conservatives so obsessed with it?
You're saying it had no purpose? Why did it receive so much attention in the media back in 2019? Conservatives are obsessed with it because they believe it had/has a strong purpose. To grow the government and weaken free markets.
Are there any laws you don't think are authoritarian?
I've touched on it in a previous message. Laws against robbery and murder. Many others - it goes back to what I said about tradition and common sense.
marc9000 writes:
WHAT LAWS? Does anyone here know what the word "specific" means?

Subsidies, carbon taxes, tax credits for purchasing an electric car, tax credits for home improvements that reduce your carbon footprint, tax credits for installing solar . . . on and on and on. Economic incentives and disincentives. Tax fossil fuels and use that tax to subsidize greener technologies.
Numbers? Percentages? I know you don't have them, nobody does, not even the most fringe left wing authoritarians, YET. They can vary from the most tiny figures and percentages that won't really change anything, to economy destroying percentages and numbers that will greatly lower the standards of living for most people, except the authoritarians. You blindly trust the authoritarians to set those numbers and percentages just right, don't you? I don't. Because cooling the planet and calming the storms will come in a distant second to the priorities of the authoritarians. Their first priority will be their own political power and money.
Right now, the authoritarians are waiting and watching, as the mainstream news media sensationalizes every weather event they possibly can, for more and more people to say, through their political involvement and voting, that "we trust you authoritarians! You set the numbers and percentages, and we just know you'll get it just right! And you'll even GET EVEN with all those successful rich people that we're so jealous of!"
No one is asking anything to be thrown away. Where do you come up with this?
The Green New Deal. It demands it. (100% clean energy by 2030.) I come up with it by observing what gets started usually in California. Remember that link I showed earlier that people in Sacramento have been recently restricted on how much they can work on their own cars?
The plan is to incentivize greener technologies, so farmers could see tax credits for purchasing hydrogen or electric powered equipment when they become available. You could see grants and subsidies going to companies that are designing and manufacturing greener technologies.

This isn't that hard to figure out.
What's hard to figure out is how so many people can casually give the government cart blanche to set figures and percentages, that have to be paid for, by a country that's $31 trillion in debt.

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marc9000
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Message 111 of 114 (905043)
01-14-2023 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Tanypteryx
01-12-2023 2:35 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
They already make billions in profits and it's way past time for them to pay their fair share of taxes.
Ah yes, the main purpose of the Green New Deal. Jealousy and hatred.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 112 of 114 (905044)
01-14-2023 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by marc9000
01-14-2023 10:23 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Wow! Brilliant, that must be it.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Minnemooseus
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Message 113 of 114 (905092)
01-16-2023 6:03 PM


It's raining in northern Minnesota
We had a bit of sub zero (F) in December, but in all it's been a damn mild winter so far.
Moose

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Message 114 of 114 (905093)
01-16-2023 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Minnemooseus
01-16-2023 6:03 PM


Re: It's raining in northern Minnesota
We drove into the DECC today for the MLK Rally. Just a miserable day weather wise. Lots of standing water. Probably freeze solid by Wednesday.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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