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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 401 of 530 (895755)
07-18-2022 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by Phat
07-17-2022 7:05 AM


Re: Prayer: Listening, Talking, or Both?
Phat writes:
Critical thinking and agnosticism certainly wouldn't help change me... that's for sure.
Why not? Why are you so determined to be a heartless (and brainless) bastard?
Phat writes:
We all would do well to pray that jar is ok. We have lost enough people through natural causes around here.
We're going to lose everybody sooner or later, from causes natural or otherwise. Prayer ain't gonna change that.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 402 of 530 (895756)
07-18-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by Phat
07-17-2022 2:14 PM


Re: Its Return On Investment
Phat writes:
Conservatives' ideas concerning return on investment are individual and concrete.
So are bank robbers' idea concerning return on investment.
Phat writes:
But they are unafraid to let the government tax and handle the social problems.
The government is us (or should be). Why would we be afraid of us?
Phat writes:
For a homeless situation, we have to trust that decriminalizing the activity, (even if it affects private business) and providing money and social programs is the answer.
Homelessness is not a criminal activity.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 408 of 530 (895779)
07-19-2022 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 404 by Phat
07-18-2022 2:46 PM


Re: Its Return On Investment
Phat writes:
Poverty is an attitude.
Well, it's caused by YOUR attitude. You just want to grab all you can and look down on people who can't grab as much as you. You're EXACTLY what Jesus preached against.
Phat writes:
LET THE PEOPLE WHO WANT IT FIXED (THROUGH MONEY) FIX IT VOLUNTARILY AND WILLINGLY.
Stop being so stupid. YOU GUYS, who claim to believe in Jesus but refuse to do what He said, have failed to take care of the poor. That was YOUR job, not society's as a whole. You were supposed to be an example to society as a whole - but instead, you try to make the problem worse.
Phat writes:
YOU ADVOCATE THE Christians giving it all up and that the rule does not apply to others
Stop being so stupid. THINK, for once. Why would anybody who doesn't believe in Jesus do what He said? THINK before you post that stupid lie again.
Phat writes:
This is ringos double standard.
It's not a double standard. It's a single standard set by Jesus for those who want to follow Him. You not only fail to meet the standard but you denigrate Jesus for setting it. If there was a Hell, you would certainly be at the front of the line.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 411 of 530 (895809)
07-20-2022 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by Phat
07-20-2022 7:51 AM


Re: The Double Standard In This Case Is Secular
Phat writes:
No, I want the right to grab "as much as I can"...
Why do you say, "No," and then repeat exactly what I said?
Phat writes:
... rather than having an authoritarian government try and legislate what's best for me.
Stop. Nobody here is talking about any government.
But yes, you do seem to need somebody to do what's best for you, since you're so bad at doing it yourself.
Phat writes:
I want them to keep their hands off of the projects that make oil and gas cheaper for all of us...
Gas should be more expensive, not less, so people use less of it.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
YOU GUYS, who claim to believe in Jesus but refuse to do what He said, have failed to take care of the poor.
Sez you.
Sez Jesus.
Phat writes:
The same guy who recommended that ALL of us follow the message rather than the messenger.
When did I ever recommend that? I just pointed out that Jesus REQUIRES it of YOU (Christians), not all of us.
Phat writes:
It's your job too, Pal.
Of course it is. And yet you mock me for giving away spare change.
Phat writes:
The Double Standard, however, is that you want all of us to adapt to your government model.
How many times do I have to tell you that it isn't about government at all? If society FAILS to take care of it's own, then it's the government's responsibility to take care of them. You right-wingnuts think the government's only responsibility is to protect you from black people, Mexicans and Grenada.
Phat writes:
I can simply tell you that your model may not be MY model.
I have pointed out many times what's wrong with your model. And you have demonstrated many times that you have no clue what my model is.
Phat writes:
And that's freedom. Not authoritarianism disguised as altruism.
You sound like Putin "freeing" Ukraine from the Nazis.
Phat writes:
Why would (or should) anyone who questions the integrity of AOC, Kamela, and doddering old Uncle Joe be forced to do what they try and say?
Duh. They're the government. You get to try to vote them out but you don't get to pick and choose what laws to obey. Render unto Caesar.
Phat writes:
The Lord loves a cheerful giver, not a mandate that all must follow.
And yet He gave a mandate. (See Ananias and Sapphira.)

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 428 of 530 (895917)
07-25-2022 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 418 by Phat
07-24-2022 1:59 PM


Re: Verification through experience
Phat writes:
It would be insulting, by the way, to be a "Christian beggar" and be forced to rely on unbelievers to get fed.
You still don't get it.
Unbelievers have nothing to do with it. Jesus' point was to trust God to take care of you. The early Church relied on each other not on outsiders.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 430 of 530 (895920)
07-25-2022 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Phat
07-24-2022 2:15 PM


Re: Jesus Saves...Moses Invests
Phat writes:
Trust me....
Never.
Phat writes:
My workplace, a grocery store, is directly one block off of the Colfax corridor.
I don't live in "the hood" but I can see the hood from my window. We have people every day scavenging the recycling bins and garbage bins for cans, bottles and other useful items. (The amount of good stuff that people throw away is horrifying.)
I have mentioned the place I used to work that is reducing security to save money. A block away, there is a branch of my bank where I used to stop at the ATM on my way home (around a quarter to midnight). One night there was a guy sleeping in the lobby (which is open 24/7). I thought twice about walking past him with a fistful of cash but I didn't assume he would rob me if he woke up.
Phat writes:
Ringos argument that *some* of the early church were obedient to give all that they had...
Don't try to blunt my argument. I have never suggested that only "some" of them obeyed. I have pointed out that the ones who didn't obey were killed. That seems like a pretty direct response from God.
Phat writes:
... was in a different time and context...
Isn't Jesus supposed to be the same yesterday, today and forever? (Hebrews 13:8)
Phat writes:
... ...it would literally wreck the economy if all who claimed to be Christian did it now ...
We're not talking about people who "claim" to be Christian. We're talking about the people who are Christian. The ones who parrot, "Lord! Lord!" are already condemned.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 436 of 530 (895936)
07-26-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by Phat
07-25-2022 11:50 PM


Re: White entitlement
Phat writes:
Most of the thieves *ARE* on drugs...we can see them tweaking as they leave, and some go into our restrooms to shoot up.
How many of your paying customers are on drugs (bearing in mind that cannabis is legal in Colorado)?
Phat writes:
That does NOT mean that I hate them.
You have a low enough opinion of them to single them out.
Phat writes:
My only gripe is with a system that would raise taxes on the middle working class in order to help the lower class...while ignoring the theft at the top.
My position is that it isn't worthwhile taxing the rich. They'll spend a million to avoid paying a million. Nobody benefits but the lawyers.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 444 of 530 (896011)
07-28-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by dwise1
07-27-2022 2:37 PM


Re: White entitlement
dwise1 writes:
But one borrowed word that the Germans really love is "sorry". All the German equivalents ("Verscheidung", "Entschuldigung") imply that the person saying it is somehow admitting to some kind of fault or guilt on their own part. "Sorry" doesn't do that. Which is why the Germans love it so much. Now you can try to emphasize with the customer without admitting to somehow being at fault for their dilemma.
Our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, loves to apologize - and not just when he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He apologizes for racism, sexism, etc. I'm surprised he doesn't apologize for the weather.
But, as an older indigenous lady said, "If you step on my foot, I appreciate you saying you're sorry but you also have to get off my foot."

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 450 of 530 (904964)
01-13-2023 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by Phat
01-12-2023 2:27 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
In the Denver Metro area, the Safeways(and grocery stores in general) who are on or near major bus lines ...
Hmm.... If you were planning bus lines, wouldn't you want them to cover ALL of the city?
Phat writes:
... are by far the hardest hit by shoplifters, , the majority of whom are on foot...
IF that was true (which seems unlikely, considering the source is you), it would suggest that shoplifters are poor (which doesn'r come as a big surprise).
Phat writes:
... a smaller minority are driving nicer cars than you or I own! The latter are likely organized crime.
If shoplifting is the worst organized crime you have, my heart doesn't bleed for you.
Phat writes:
Theodoric writes:
But it is not a crisis as they made it out to be.
Thats not what we observe nor what our security sees.
As I have pointed out before, the drug store where I used to work has REDUCED its anti-shoplifting measures, apparently because fixating on shoplifters is counter-productive.
Phat writes:
A company needs no excuse to exit undesireable unprofitable areas.
Sure it does. We have had a lot of trouble around here with retail stores exiting "undesirable" indigenous people. (Some of them may even have come on the bus, horror of horrors!)
Of course, you can't do that any more (which people like you can not be made to understand). The store owners want to masquerade as human beings, so they want a good image for their stores.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 451 of 530 (904965)
01-13-2023 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 449 by Phat
01-12-2023 5:06 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
... their sensationalist claims themselves generated a backlash from people (such as many liberals) who are sensitive to the issue and defensive, largely due to the fact that they are anti-authoritarian and pro BLM and other marginalized minority causes.
So now liberals are ANTI-authoritarian? When did you change your mind?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 460 of 530 (905062)
01-16-2023 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by Phat
01-13-2023 2:23 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
Authoritarianism cuts both ways.
You have been saying for ages that liberals are authoritarian and now you say it is a FACT that they are NOT authoritarian Message 449. It doesn't matter how many ways authoritarianism cuts, you're contradicting yourself.
Phat writes:
The difference is that Liberals claim that they are acting in the best interests of *all* of the people regardless of the peoples consent.
The people give their consent by voting the liberals in. If they didn't have the people's consent, they couldn't DO anything in ANYBODY's best interest.
Phat writes:
They deny being authoritarian.
Because they're NOT authoritarian. Se above.
For God's sake, learn what authoritarian means.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 461 of 530 (905063)
01-16-2023 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 456 by Phat
01-13-2023 3:05 PM


Re: Phat continues racist screeds
Phat writes:
I notice you made no attempt to dig up any dirt on her...
Where did YOU dig up the claim that she is a "harpy"?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 462 of 530 (905064)
01-16-2023 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 459 by Phat
01-15-2023 1:20 PM


Re: Conversations behind Gods back: Rant#1
Phat writes:
Inquiring idiots want to know!
THAT was a post that you should have ignored, like so many others. You do NOT want to try to argue that you are not stupid and/or foolish. All we have to do is quote your stupid and foolish posts back at you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 467 of 530 (905189)
01-19-2023 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:33 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
One side supports their own brand of authoritarianism...
Learn what authoritarian means.
Phat writes:
Your side opposes profiling...
Nope.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 470 of 530 (905194)
01-19-2023 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 468 by Phat
01-19-2023 12:20 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
You seem to advocate looking the other way and letting these people get something for nothing at the expense of the rest of us.
As I have said twice before, the drugstore where I used to work REDUCED their anti-shoplifting measures. I'll repeat that, since you didn't seem to notice it before: They REDUCED their anti-shoplifting measures. Apparently, what they lost to shoplifting wasn't worth the expense of extra security measures AND the expense of backlash from false accusations, etc. (Imagine the uproar if a privileged white person was falsely accused.)
So it's the merchants, not me. Public relations is worth a lot.
Phat writes:
Sad.
There are much worse things than that to be sad about.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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