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Phat
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Message 794 of 895 (897770)
09-11-2022 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by ringo
09-10-2022 10:04 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
Phat writes:
It's not so much where "it" leads.... it's where you follow.
That's a silly attempt at cleverness. Without lead, there is no follow.
​Raw intelligence requires humans. No robot will ever figure out the meaning of the universe. Plus, they don't have to reproduce so it should be interesting what their logic, reason, and reality become.
Phat writes:
No, I mock you for claiming it is the standard.
It couldn't be any more black-and-white that it is the standard. You're not mocking a claim. You're mocking the standard.
I'm mocking your idea of Christianity. You mock me for making Him up, but the book itself was made up. The only standard we should be held to is the integrity of what we make up.
​​
Phat writes:
You never dared to do it.
How would you know that?
Your religion that you were brought up in was too strict. That's why you started thinking and wormed your way out of it. But it was based on a standard. The reason I know your religious upbringing was too strict is that even now you insist I follow the standard. You cling to the integrity of the book and claim that I don't.
Phat writes:
You thought yourself out of what you labeled a fantasy.
That has nothing to do with following the standard.
So let me get this straight. The book was written by humans of an earlier warring time. They described a God who commanded them to sacrifice animals and kill every one of their enemy. Jesus comes along and claims that the goats refused to do what He said and thus will also be harshly dealt with. You thought your way beyond both characteristics of the Triune God. The Spirit, which you fondly call the Spook, is also dropped in favor of logic, reason, and reality. Am I right so far?
Phat writes:
And then turn up the pressure on me...
How could I possibly put pressure on you?
Phat writes:
... hoping I will also deny that Jesus exists.
You've already demonstrated that your faith isn't real. What difference would it make if you admitted that YOUR made-up Jesus doesn't exist?
Phat writes:
If Jesus existed, (which I believe He does) He would not limit Himself to a character in a book.
YOU are limiting Him to the version that YOU made up. The version in the book is the only evidence we have for His existence.
Phat writes:
And I can assure you I don't make Him up.
Your assurance is worthless. It's perfectly obvious that your version is made up.
Phat writes:
How could I?
The same way any other fictional character is made up.
Phat writes:
It's your standards that are the illogical idea.
Show how they are illogical.
All I'm trying to show is that the idea of God is not illogical.
Phat writes:
All you are defending is a book.
I'm defending all of the evidence that we have. How could I do more than that?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 795 of 895 (897771)
09-11-2022 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by ringo
09-11-2022 10:48 AM


Re: Politics and Secular Emotionalism
Phat writes:
you get all worked up over the Holy Spirit being a Monster yet never mention the other spirits that seduce, lie, and beguile humanity.
ringo writes:
No, we mention the apologists all the time.
in other words, you are collectively against the idea of organized religion...which I nearly agree with except you include the focus on a Creator of all seen and unseen. You are unable to deal with such an idea, so you throw relativism into the equation and respond "which God" as if to prove a point that everyone makes up God anyway. That looks clever on the surface...but IF God exists, you won't win your right to eternal free will. Satan tried it and is projected to fail.
Phat writes:
perhaps ringo is ultimately right.
ringo writes:
I don't care about being "ultimately right". I'd just like to get you to THINK once in a while.
Well I suppose I appreciate it. At least you aren't as mean as Theodoric.
Phat writes:
​I was shaken by the fervor that all of you had in disproving Jesus. ( which you failed to do, by the way.)
ringo writes:
There's no need to disprove Jesus, just like there's no need to disprove leprechauns. The default is they don't exist. Again, the "fervor" is to get you to THINK.
There you go again with relativism. The day I see people worshipping a Leprechaun is the day I explain to you that all other "gods" are imitators. Until then, the only leprechaun I ever see is on a cereal box!
Phat writes:
I believe in the whole concept of spiritual war because I had subjective observation of such a realm in my own past and because I even see it now on days when I channel my inner asshole.
ringo writes:
You "observe" what you want to observe, what your lying apologists say you should observe. But it's all subjective.
I observed based on where my experiences led me. If apologists are all liars, so are all mythicists. In fact, so are all humans.
Phat writes:
The difference is that you liberals don't see it, disbelieve it, and don't in fact care.
ringo writes:
Because we try to be objective -
Well keep up the good work. Quit blaming your problems on conservatives and I might consider easing up on you.
And it has nothing to do with being liberal - except that liberals are more likely to THINK. You like the conservatives because they encourage you to be brainless.
More likely, we are encouraged to be heartless so that more money can be earned. We surrender our brains to God. If He shows up knocking at your door don't worry. He didn't come for your money or your brain.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 797 of 895 (897773)
09-11-2022 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by ringo
09-11-2022 3:12 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
ringo writes:
Try again. Show how something I SAID is illogical.
At this point, I will simply label what you have said as a premature conclusion.
The only other thing I can think of is when you compare Jesus with Leprechauns. That is most definitely illogical.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 803 of 895 (897794)
09-12-2022 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by nwr
09-12-2022 1:13 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
The skills which I avoided were falsification, critical thinking, and data. I steered more towards belief at any cost. My motto was that if you don't stand for SOMETHING you are liable to fall for ANYTHING.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 809 of 895 (897954)
09-16-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 808 by AZPaul3
09-16-2022 3:56 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
To a limited degree, yes. I will never throw away my belief (my core belief that there is one God, Jesus is His character and representative, and He desires to be eternally in communion with humanity rather than letting us go to our eventual destruction without Him)
But I am learning to think more, apart from the whole science thing about falsifying an argument. Perhaps that is why jar always wanted me to let go and throw it all away so that I could get a fresh perspective.
When I see how much you hate the very idea of an authority figure, I conclude that we need one.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 811 of 895 (898052)
09-18-2022 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 810 by AZPaul3
09-16-2022 4:27 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
AZ writes:
I hate ANY version of a supernatural majikal sky monster you insist we all worship.
ANY version? Note how you have concluded that anything supernatural, if "it" exists, is a monster. Spoken like a true antitheist. What if, on the other hand, it was a superior race of aliens? What if it was simply a giant asteroid on its journey to end life on earth? I could see the rationale in regard to the asteroid. It would be neither good nor evil...it would simply be "universe science".
But about the hypothetical aliens:
  • what would be their intent? Consuming humans? Taking over authoritatively despite our pleas and warnings? Assuming they demonstrated power beyond our capabilities, would they de-facto be classified as evil if we could not reason with them?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 813 of 895 (898056)
    09-18-2022 9:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 812 by AZPaul3
    09-18-2022 9:40 AM


    Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
    WTF you talking about? What if what was a superior race of aliens?
    The "authority" from the sky. In fact, what if Jesus was actually one of these same aliens? What if the legends were true and He communicated with His Father? It would be like Princess Leia in Star Wars sending a message to Obi-Wan Kenobi. "Help us, Obi-Wan. You're our only hope". So what if these sky aliens were of unknown intent? What if Obi-Wan represented the good or noble side of "the Force". (which some geeks believe in much more readily than Jesus! )
    So, what's the point, Phat?
    To get you to talk for one thing. You are the one who insisted that any "Being" from the sky that was majical was evil.
    If it does evil it is evil. Your god does evil. It is evil.
    First off, I would submit that you dont know "my god". Neither does ringo. All that you two have done is read a book.
    If superior aliens do evil then they are evil and we will classify them so.
    Note that you admit that the hypothetical aliens are superior. What if they have an evolved definition of evil? What if they claim that by smiting us, they are saving the universe from our eventual attempt at exploration, politics, and spreading our germs and memes through the cosmos?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 815 of 895 (898061)
    09-18-2022 10:25 AM
    Reply to: Message 814 by AZPaul3
    09-18-2022 10:18 AM


    Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
    What if your what if's are BS and I don't care?
    then you need sleep. Take a nap and come back when rested. You seem to care enough about the train wreck that is climate change, yet you say that you are too old to care. People have no idea what's coming. We can't even get along now....it will be worse later. Humans failed with God. They are now failing without god.
    Time for a smart world leader to take over. Or not.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 816 of 895 (898062)
    09-18-2022 10:31 AM
    Reply to: Message 807 by dwise1
    09-16-2022 3:12 PM


    Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
    I watched parts of jojo rabbit thanks to you. It was a very good movie.
    Now, here's the scary part. If Trump were smart, he would pretend to get saved and change his whole demeanor. They would elect him in a landslide! The Beast would be back at the helm, just in time to take on Russia and China.
    I don't think he is that bright, however. Bring on the next contender.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 817 of 895 (898063)
    09-18-2022 10:35 AM
    Reply to: Message 814 by AZPaul3
    09-18-2022 10:18 AM


    Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
    AZEarlyBird writes:
    Wow. Reading comprehension, Phat.

    Try re-reading that post again. Message 810
    OK.
    810 writes:
    I hate ANY version of a supernatural majikal sky monster you insist we all worship.

    That has nothing to do with any authority figure but has to do with an evil figure.
    Are you concluding that if humans worship anyone or anything that demands worship, it makes that person evil? If so, I might actually agree.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 821 of 895 (898121)
    09-19-2022 11:39 AM
    Reply to: Message 820 by ringo
    09-18-2022 3:59 PM


    Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
    ringo writes:
    The only definition of evil that matters to us is our self-serving definition.
    If God exists, the fact that He doesn't save every baby, sick person, or hurt person causes some people to declare Him evil.
    I suppose that is self-serving in that we humans expect a God who will take care of us.
    Some believe in a Deistic God who lets us grow up and make mistakes while He is busy playing poker with lesser gods in some corner of the universe.
    Both you and I grew up believing that Jesus was God. You don't believe that He ever existed as marketed, but you hint that He is evil also based on Matthew 25.
    You DO realize that death is just another part of life, don't you?
    God is under no obligation to do anything for ringo or Phat.
    No wonder you stopped believing. You expected God to be nicer. And yet you berate me for making up a nicer version of Jesus. Sheesh.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 826 of 895 (904945)
    01-12-2023 1:59 PM
    Reply to: Message 824 by AZPaul3
    12-24-2022 9:21 AM


    Mighty Mouse
    The Way Of The (Mousey)Mister had a good show featuring the atheist apologist, Alex O'Conner.(Cosmic Skeptic)

    The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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    Phat
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    Message 830 of 895 (904973)
    01-13-2023 2:48 PM
    Reply to: Message 827 by ringo
    01-13-2023 11:01 AM


    Re: Mighty Mouse
    ringo writes:
    How could there be an atheist apologist? There are no doctrines to apologize for.
    In this instance, I am using the word as synonymous with "defense of".. The only person you will have to apologize to will be God Himself.

    The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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    Message 832 of 895 (904976)
    01-13-2023 2:58 PM
    Reply to: Message 829 by Taq
    01-13-2023 12:57 PM


    Re: Words have meaning
    Interesting! I like learning new stuff...if only I can remember it!
    Wiki writes:
    Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.[4]
    Study of apologetics has enhanced my world view and thinking process, exposing deficiencies as well as strengths.

    The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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    Phat
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    Message 833 of 895 (904977)
    01-13-2023 3:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 831 by Theodoric
    01-13-2023 2:52 PM


    Re: Phat should really learn the meaning of words he tries to use
    OK. In my mind, Alex O'Connor is more in defense of Logic vs Logical fallacies. He simply likes to argue. Mr. Deity held his own, though.

    The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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