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Author Topic:   The Changing World Order
ringo
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Message 256 of 264 (904915)
01-11-2023 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Phat
01-11-2023 11:59 AM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Phat writes:
I dont see us as a fascist nation! We have too many checks and balances
The Weimar Republic had one of the best constitutions ever devised. The problem was that the people didn't respect the constitution or democracy in general.
Phat writes:
...and a good 30% of our people are actally quite moderate and sane.
Not near enough for a majority.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Taq
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Message 257 of 264 (904916)
01-11-2023 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Phat
01-11-2023 11:59 AM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Phat writes:
For the record, I'm not too worried about Trump ever getting into office again. He barely got in the first time when nobody knew how nuts he was, and now that we the people know, how on earth could the guy get elected again? (If it were to happen, I would be convinced that the world was ending! )
The Trump movement is certainly the most fascist we have seen in recent memory, and it is based on ideas that have been circulating in Republican circles for decades now.
Perhaps the best distillation of fascism is the Nazi slogan "Blood and Soil", which, by the way, is what the Proud Boys chanted at one of their rallies. This gets to the heart of what fascism is. It is cultishly focused on ultra-nationalism and nativism. It is also focused on a narrative of some great past where the nation used to be better (i.e. "Make America Great Again"). Everything is subservient to those ideologies. It isn't a mistake that fascist groups like the Proud Boys find the Trump movement so attractive. It isn't a mistake that we can see so many parallels to Mussolini's Fascist movement that was later perfected by the Nazis. It isn't a mistake that when the leader of the modern Fascist party (the very same party founded by Mussolini) in Italy became Prime Minister that she was lauded by conservative groups. Why are conservatives such supporters of a fascist?
Is the US an authoritarian government? Absolutely not. We have free and fair elections, one of the first hallmarks of a non-authoritarian government. We are nowhere close to one. It is simply ridiculous to point to laws passed by a strong democracy as being authoritarian. Authoritarian is not a synonym for "laws I don't like". This silly game conservatives play with words needs to stop.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 258 of 264 (904918)
01-11-2023 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Phat
01-11-2023 11:59 AM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Phat writes:
He barely got in the first time when nobody knew how nuts he was, and now that we the people know, how on earth could the guy get elected again?
WTF are you talking about. EVERYONE predicted what a Trump presidency would be like. For Fuck Sake, Hillary predicted it in the debates.
You really are a FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 259 of 264 (904920)
01-11-2023 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by ringo
01-11-2023 1:21 PM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
ringo writes:
The Weimar Republic had one of the best constitutions ever devised. The problem was that the people didn't respect the constitution or democracy in general.
The German people were saddled with war reparations debts from WW I that crippled their economy and snuffed out their ambitions. If we dont want it to happen again, we had best not tax the crap out of the working class in order to pay off the debts and expenses of the enormous social programs which our nation cannot afford.
We respect democracy as long as we the middle(working class) are not crippled through being expected to pay the bill that the rich wont pay and the poor cant pay.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 260 of 264 (904921)
01-11-2023 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Theodoric
01-11-2023 9:47 AM


Re: Getting Back On Topic
Theo writes:
Phat likes to start inane discussions but quickly abandons them to move on to start another inane discussion. There are a number of comments I made that he has not replied to.
Thats because you ask questions that require me to do the research of a fucking term papers worth of data to address! Ive got things to do every day. I cant answer your incessant demands for evidence on topics that are obvious to the layman.
I will try and look some of your unanswered questions up, though. Do you recall any off the bat?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 261 of 264 (904922)
01-11-2023 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Phat
01-11-2023 2:37 PM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Phat writes:
The German people were saddled with war reparations debts from WW I that crippled their economy and snuffed out their ambitions. If we dont want it to happen again, we had best not tax the crap out of the working class in order to pay off the debts and expenses of the enormous social programs which our nation cannot afford.
Tell that to your conservative buddies who continue to shift the tax burden away from the rich and onto the working class.
If we throw out Medicare and pushed seniors to the private insurance market we would see many seniors dying of preventable diseases simply because they can't afford health care. Do away with social security and you would have seniors thrown out on the streets.
We can't afford these programs? BULLSHIT!!! We can't afford not to have them.

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Phat
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Message 262 of 264 (904923)
01-11-2023 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Taq
01-11-2023 3:02 PM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
I fully agree with you.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 263 of 264 (904925)
01-11-2023 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Phat
01-11-2023 2:42 PM


Re: Getting Back On Topic
I cant answer your incessant demands for evidence on topics that are obvious to the layman
Evidently they are not obvious. If you don't have an answer then you shouldnt have made the post in the first place.
Why did you bring up Rep. Ocasio-Cortez when discussing Candace Owen's?
How do we institute a gold standard?
Name fiat currencies that failed and why?
Why is silver a better investment than the stock market?
Do have any idea what The Federal Reserve does?
You can start there. You spoke like you understood these subjects. There should be no research if you do. You could just admit you don't know what you are talking about and were just spouting shit.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 264 of 264 (904938)
01-12-2023 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Phat
01-11-2023 2:37 PM


Re: The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Phat writes:
The German people were saddled with war reparations debts from WW I that crippled their economy and snuffed out their ambitions.
Wrong. The German people had contempt for democracy long before the war, much like the contempt for democracy that the conservatives in the US are developing now. So for, the American conservatives don't have an excuse like war debts. When they do, you'll be goose-stepping down the street with your swastika armband and stiff-arm salute.
Phat writes:
If we dont want it to happen again, we had best not tax the crap out of the working class...
You're just harping on the same old same old without making the slightest attempt to back up your claims.
Phat writes:
... in order to pay off the debts and expenses of the enormous social programs which our nation cannot afford.
I keep telling you, social programs are not a drain on the economy. They boost the economy. They make more taxpayers.
Phat writes:
We respect democracy as long as...
There's your problem right there. You don't respect democracy for its own sake. You don't respect democracy because it's the overall best system. You only respect democracy "as long as" it makes YOU better off (in your own misguided perception).
Phat writes:
...as long as we the middle(working class) are not crippled through being expected to pay the bill that the rich wont pay and the poor cant pay.
Idiot. The poor COULD pay if you would stop robbing them.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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