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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
So this is how you decide what books to read? Only "pro Christian worldview books" are safe to read? No wonder you're stuck on such crazy ideas. Initially, as I began to listen to it, I realized that it was not necessarily a pro Christian worldview book, and I began to feel a bit of anxiety. After praying about it, I felt a green light and a thumbs up in regard to reading it and studying it as deeply as I have my other books.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Note that I decided to read the book regardless what it was about. I'm just admitting anxiety at being exposed to uncomfortable worldviews.
Now as for you, you have the audacity to imagine that your rational view on things is always superior to religious belief. You threw out the Holy Baby with the bathwater.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If your worldview was solid, why would you be anxious about challenges to it?
I'm just admitting anxiety at being exposed to uncomfortable worldviews. Phat writes:
There is nothing audacious or imaginary about it. Rational is always superior to irrational. Period. End of story.
... you have the audacity to imagine that your rational view on things is always superior to religious belief. Phat writes:
You have a real talent for shooting yourself in the foot. It's a wonder there's still anything left of you below the waist. You threw out the Holy Baby with the bathwater. YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
ringo writes: You do not get to dictate to me what the beginning and ending of the story is. You also do not get to have your own evidence, a comment that you have used on me a time or two. It may well be that Kurt Anderson is a non-believer, but he is very adept and skilled at describing trends in American culture. Rational is always superior to irrational. Period. End of story. As a matter of fact, Anderson describes the land of grown-up make believe in American politics starting with JFK and ending with Ronald Reagan. In this case, irrationality drove the myth of American exceptionalism and described an era (1960's, bragging rights to having the first man on the moon, a whimsical preoccupation with youth portrayed early on by an American president(JFK) who was dashingly good looking, a war hero (PT 109) and a youthful wife (31) who presided over an American Empire from a white palace known as Camelot. JFK even had as a girlfriend the idyllic sexual fantasy of Marilyn Monroe. In this early era of political theater, art imitated life and life imitated art. Kurt Anderson: Compared to Reagan, reality TV star Trump was a piker.
Kurt Anderson: So don't tell me that rational always trumps(no pun intended ) irrational. The national soap opera awaits a new and capable actor. We the people are tired of reality. We want America to be back in the saddle again. We do not want to pay the bill nor do we want any sort of reparations. Everyone is equal and everyone is on the same page going forward. And we have no problem with Jesus being black, as long as He returns on a white horse. (thinly veiled attempt at humor)The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
ringo writes: I do not look forward to a post-Christian culture. I very much believe that Jesus is alive eternally and is(was) a real person. Life should always turn out fair in the end. Everybody gets a ribbon. We the people will be rescued (and will need rescuing, by the way) before our species becomes extinct. If your worldview was solid, why would you be anxious about challenges to it? The anxiety stems from the idea that there is no rescuer and that the world will end up trying to fix itself. I strongly believe that humans are incapable of enough humility to get along with each other. I doubt whether *any* of you would give everything up in order to save the people on the planet. We need Jesus. Not some imitator who will propose a unified global effort at change and growth. Case closed. End of story. ringo writes: This is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation of my position. Just so the peanut gallery can take notes. YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I certainly DO get to tell you that rational beats irrational EVERY TIME. Period. End of story.
You do not get to dictate to me what the beginning and ending of the story is. Phat writes:
And I have never claimed to have my own evidence, so why would you say such a silly thing?
You also do not get to have your own evidence, a comment that you have used on me a time or two. Phat writes:
That is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.
It may well be that Kurt Anderson is a non-believer, but he is very adept and skilled at describing trends in American culture. Phat writes:
Which makes my f**king point. If Americans were rational, they would be much better off. Why are you blathering on about it?
In this case, irrationality drove the myth of American exceptionalism... Phat writes:
You just finished demonstrating that it does!
So don't tell me that rational always trumps(no pun intended ) irrational. Phat writes:
Which is irrational! Americans are in the fix(es) they are in largely because of their wannabe irrationality. Rationality would be better! How can you not see that? We the people are tired of reality. We want America to be back in the saddle again. It's like you're trying to prove that the earth is flat by showing all the evidence that it is round.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Funny you should say that since you're always preaching AGAINST equality. Life should always turn out fair in the end. Everybody gets a ribbon. We the people will be rescued (and will need rescuing, by the way) before our species becomes extinct. Your problem is that you're looking for some external entity to rescue you while you're heaping scorn on your fellow humans who actually CAN help you.
Phat writes:
Well, of course there is no rescuer. The world WILL have to fix itself.
The anxiety stems from the idea that there is no rescuer and that the world will end up trying to fix itself. Phat writes:
You don't "strongly believe" anything. You may weakly wish.
I strongly believe... Phatt writes:
What has it got to do with humility?
...that humans are incapable of enough humility to get along with each other. Phat writes:
Why do you keep harping on that? You don't seem to doubt very strongly.
I doubt whether *any* of you would give everything up in order to save the people on the planet. Phat writes:
No. We don't. We need Jesus. YOU claim to "have" Jesus and what good has it done you? You're wrong about almost everything.
Phat writes:
How can you be so stupid? A global effort is essential, now more than ever.
Not some imitator who will propose a unified global effort at change and growth. Phat writes:
You have no case to close. You have no leg to stand on.
Case closed. End of story.
You're ignoring the story.
Phat writes:
No it is not. ringo writes:
This is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation of my position. YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up. You HAVE thrown out what Jesus said. You don't even TRY to refute that you have. You just deny, deny, deny, like a devoted Trumpite.
Phat writes:
How can the peanut gallery take notes when you never reply to the rebuttals? Just so the peanut gallery can take notes.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
ringo writes: Funny you should say that since you're always preaching AGAINST equality. Allow me to clarify. I am against financial equality since it allows the government to tax the middle class in order to pay the bills that the poor can't pay and the rich wont pay. While I understand your basic mantra that a rising tide lifts all boats, (which in principle is superior to trickle-down economics) I lament the fact that the bills seem to be increasing (lately almost exponentially) and that inflation itself is a hidden tax. I believe that in America a small businessman should be unencumbered from earning more than his less ambitious (or financially strapped) neighbors without having his hard work taxed to lift up the masses out of poverty. They need to work too.
ringo writes: And of course you have no evidence apart from your own conclusions...nor do any of you. In fact, I think that you all are against the belief based on the evolution and impact of right wing politics. Were Jesus to whisper to your conscience some night, perhaps not long from now, you would be a fool to dismiss your experience as madness.
Well, of course there is no rescuer.ringo writes: The world can't fix itself without draconian authoritarian meddling from what you will initially see as necessary government intervention. The world WILL have to fix itself. And I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
And YOU have no evidence that Quetzalcoaltl isn't the "real" god. The only difference between you and me is that I treat all lack of evidence equally.
And of course you have no evidence apart from your own conclusions...nor do any of you. Phat writes:
You call that thinking? It's more like an empty accusation.
In fact, I think that you all are against the belief based on the evolution and impact of right wing politics. Phat writes:
On the contrary, I would be a fool to embrace madness as a replacement for reality.
Were Jesus to whisper to your conscience some night, perhaps not long from now, you would be a fool to dismiss your experience as madness. Phat writes:
Nonsense. The world has neen fixing itself forever. The world can't fix itself without draconian authoritarian meddling.... And learn what authoritarian means!
Phat writes:
You ARE being negative - foolishly negative, without a scrap of evidence to back up your negativity. And I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic. And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church. At least she knows enough to go to church. She sits in the third pew right between Mother Nature and Father Time.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
This book stirred up yet more questions (and concerns) regarding the future of the human race. Im listening to it on Audible.
Amazon writes: Dr. Kai-Fu Lee - one of the world’s most respected experts on AI and China - reveals that China has suddenly caught up to the US at an astonishingly rapid and unexpected pace. In AI Superpowers, Kai-fu Lee argues powerfully that because of these unprecedented developments in AI, dramatic changes will be happening much sooner than many of us expected. Indeed, as the US-Sino AI competition begins to heat up, Lee urges the US and China to both accept and to embrace the great responsibilities that come with significant technological power. Most experts already say that AI will have a devastating impact on blue-collar jobs. But Lee predicts that Chinese and American AI will have a strong impact on white-collar jobs as well. Is universal basic income the solution? In Lee’s opinion, probably not. But he provides a clear description of which jobs will be affected and how soon, which jobs can be enhanced with AI, and most importantly, how we can provide solutions to some of the most profound changes in human history that are coming soon. I worry about the whole universal basic income thing. It sounds biased aganst private property rights and portends a demise of the good old boys network that so many of you want to see fall. The impact of AI on the global future will increase the gap between the haves and the have nots. As usual, the victims will be the once flourishing middle class. To be continued...
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
ringo writes: No. *You* claim that I am wrong about almost everything. Wait until the jury comes back with their verdict. You and the peanut gallery may be left holding the bag. YOU claim to "have" Jesus and what good has it done you? You're wrong about almost everything. Of course I dont expect to be right about everything, but I can almost guarantee that you guys will be wrong about a few things that you are certain you will be (and currently think you are) right about. Time will tell.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Who the f**k is "she"? I was talking to YOU, you moron. Are you trying to undercut Dredge's 9 IQ? And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church.At least she knows enough to go to church. I SAID that you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church. You don't have to demonstrate that I'm right. You've done that often enough before.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 574 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I demonstrate what I claim. YOU don't even try to refute my claims. You just deny, deny, deny like a devoted Trumpite.
No. *You* claim that I am wrong about almost everything. Phat writes:
The jury is in. Wait until the jury comes back with their verdict. The jury is in. The jury is in. Are you blind? How can you not see them? Are you deaf? How can you not hear the verdict?
Phat writes:
Which (AGAIN), you can not demonstrate. You and the peanut gallery may be left holding the bag. Phat writes:
Just try not to be so asininely wrong ALL the time.
Of course I dont expect to be right about everything... Phat writes:
Your guarantee is as worthless as the guarantee on the Hindenberg.
... I can almost guarantee that you guys will be wrong about a few things... Phat writes:
Thinking people are careful about certainty. YOU are not. YOU are certain of things that have been proven wrong over and over and over again.
... that you are certain you will be (and currently think you are) right about. Phat writes:
FYI, time is an ongoing thing. It has BEEN telling forever. YOU just aren't listiening. Time will tell.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
I've had this book a while now, and listen to it over and over in the audio cassette player in the car. Theodoric, wag that he is, will likely go to internet infidels to copypaste someone else's counterclaims to the book's efficacy and apologetic value in general, though I find the book encouraging.
Favorable Reviews:
Goodreads Critical Reviews: (This is one of the best critical reviews...I respect this author.
The Case Against Faith: A Critical Look at Lee Strobel's The Case for Faith I have yet to find the critic's name, though his website is amazing!
SitemapThe most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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