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Message 100 of 188 (904927)
01-11-2023 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
01-11-2023 1:57 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Phat writes:
You cant very well mandate electric vehicles when your blessed poor people cannot afford them.
There are EV's under 30k, brand new. This is the same prices as ICE competitors.
They will only become more affordable as the tech and manufacturing matures.
You also should factor in the cost over the period of ownership which is much lower for EV's. There's a pretty cool article over at Car & Driver. Here is there bottom line cost for 3 years of ownership:
quote:
Hyundai Kona: $19,385
Hyundai Kona Electric: $21,426
Ford F-150: $26,505
Ford F-150 Lightning: $23,840
This factors in all costs, from maintenance to fuel to resell value. The cost of ownership is close to the same. Sometimes the EV wins, sometimes the ICE wins, but it's close.

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Message 108 of 188 (904944)
01-12-2023 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by marc9000
01-11-2023 9:21 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
Yes I know, and that mitigation is to do it QUICKLY. The Green New Deal was proposed by A.O.C. in 2019. It's now 2023. 7 more years to 2030, 4 years since 2019. The Green New Deal proposes 100% clean energy by 2030.
The Green New Deal was entirely aspirational. There is no teeth in it. Why are conservatives so obsessed with it?
Without drastic new authoritarian laws?
Are there any laws you don't think are authoritarian?
WHAT LAWS? Does anyone here know what the word "specific" means?
Subsidies, carbon taxes, tax credits for purchasing an electric car, tax credits for home improvements that reduce your carbon footprint, tax credits for installing solar . . . on and on and on. Economic incentives and disincentives. Tax fossil fuels and use that tax to subsidize greener technologies.
What are the proposals to do with all the new fossil fuel burning cars and trucks and farm machinery and construction machinery that's being built in 2023? Throw it all away? How many more trillions in debt to cover all that waste?
No one is asking anything to be thrown away. Where do you come up with this?
The plan is to incentivize greener technologies, so farmers could see tax credits for purchasing hydrogen or electric powered equipment when they become available. You could see grants and subsidies going to companies that are designing and manufacturing greener technologies.
This isn't that hard to figure out.

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