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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Again... it's what common ancestor that WE (including you) and modern bacteria are ALL descended from.
Now which bacteria is he descended from. Kleinman writes:
Of course it isn't always possible to trace ancestry backward that far with that kind of precision. We might not know which one of your German ancestors fought the Romans 2000-odd years ago but we DO know that the Germans DID fight the Romans 2000-odd years ago.
Or doesn't the cowboy know? Kleinman writes:
No. You don't. You don't even get simple mathematics.
Sure I get it. Kleinman writes:
Why can't you understand such a simple principle? WE (including YOU) descended from an ancestor that modern bacteria also descended from. When did you descend from bacteria? You continue to demonstrate that you don't get it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You really don't. You demonstrate that by repeating the same old same old misconception over and over and over again.
I get your claim. Kleinman writes:
WE (including YOU) are related to horses and to cows and to fecal bacteria.
Your horse is related to fecal bacteria, cows are related to fecal bacteria, and you are related to fecal bacteria... Kleinman writes:
Nor do you know precisely which anti-Roman German you are descended from. What you do not know does not determine what actually happened.
...but you don't know which bacteria you descended from. Kleinman writes:
You CLAIM (without evidence) that I don't know how this happens but you DEMONSTRATE that YOU do not understand simple mathematics. You RUN AWAY from questions about simple mathematics.
Drug-resistant bacteria are also descended from drug-sensitive bacteria and they are also related to drug-sensitive bacteria but you don't know how or why this happens. Kleinman writes:
And the ignorant Kleinman claims to know that I am a "fake cowboy". He couldn't possibly know that. The fake cowboy seems to know what happened millions of years ago but doesn't know what is happening right now.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
No you don't. And you have no way of knowing whether I am a fake cowboy or a real cowboy.
Sure I do fake cowboy. Kleinman writes:
YOU fantasize about biology when you know nothing about biology. YOU fantasize about mathematics when you know nothing about mathematics. YOU can't figure out the difference between relatedness and descent. YOU can't figure out the difference between asexual reproduction and sexual reproduction.
You fantasize about something you imagine happened millions of years ago but can't figure out what happens now. Kleinman writes:
When YOU understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B →C, you can try to talk to the gownups. Perhaps you should apply your math, DU → MB.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I may be a fake Sharon Stone but that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm a real cowboy. Try to learn some logic.
Yeah, right, you are really Sharon Stone. Kleinman writes:
And YOU don't even understand what "descent" means.
And you don't know which bacteria you descended from but you are related to fecal bacteria. Kleinman writes:
The mathematics is clear. And your attempt at joking about it doesn't work. And you know this because your mathematics is DU → MB.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Well, your DU → MB is not mathematics. You haven't even defined your terms.
Who is joking? Kleinman writes:
If you have figured out how to google spurs, you should be able to google how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You'll see the explanations that SCIENCE has. Is this what your spurs look like?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
No you are not. I have never defined D, U or M. I have defined B as a descendent of ancestor A but nothing in your DU → MB says anything about that.
I'm using your definitions... Kleinman writes:
You know nothing about my fantasies.
You are a Sharon Stone wannabe, and that's your fantasy. Kleinman writes:
WE (including YOU) are ALL related to ALL living things. The observation of gross anatomy concluded that centuries ago and the conclusion has been confirmed by DNA.
And if you think you are a relative of fecal bacteria... Kleinman writes:
You won't stop the facts from coming.
... don't let me stop you with the mathematical and experimental facts. Kleinman writes:
Again, not my definitions. You're just blowing a smokescreen to try to hide your foolishness. And using your definition, it is DU → MB.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Nonsense. If you understand your own definition you could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. If YOU understood mathematics at all, what I am talking about is YOUR mistaken impression that mammals evoled from fish. I am telling you that mammals and fish evolved from a common ancestor. Mammals and fish are cousins. Fish are not the ancestors of mammals. Do you understand the difference between a grandparent and a cousin? None of this has anything to do with drug resistance or cancer treatments. You are nowhere near able to understand those.
Kleinman writes:
You have no basis to talk about probability theory.
you would need to understand some introductory probability theory. Kleinman writes:
You understand nothing. I understand you are too busy with your Sharon Stone fetish.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
No. Everybody understands my definitions except YOU.
Of course, your understanding of your own definitions is nonsense. Kleinman writes:
WE (including YOU) are related to fecal bacteria and to fish and to reptiles and to birds and to cows and to pigs and to all living things. This has been known ever since Linnaeus classified them in the 1700s and it has more recently been confirmed by DNA.
That's why you think you are related to fecal bacteria. Kleinman writes:
There's no point in going into any depth with you until you understand the difference between relatives and ancestors. Your cousin is not your grandfather. Did you know your relatives evolve resistance to antibiotics?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You're in no position to say that. You have demonstrated that you don't know the first thing about evolution. Come back when you have learned the difference between cousins and grandparents. You are already in way over your head....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
If you think my relatives and your relatives and everybody's relatives are imaginary, you know nothing. I know how your imaginary relatives evolve drug resistance.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I am and you are. You can disown your family all you like but it doesn't change your DNA. ringo, you are not related to bacteria....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
The only one here who doesn't understand biological evolution is you. You don't even understand that grandparents are different from cousins. That is an abysmal misunderstanding of biological evolution.
You have been indoctrinated by people that don't understand biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
Universal common descent was understood centuries ago because of gross anatomy - and it has been confirmed conclusively by DNA. Your misunderstanding of mathematics can not undo reality. Universal common descent is pseudo-scientific mythology...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Kleinman looks at his cousins and sees his grandparents. AZPaul3 doesn't do well when his bubble is burst. When Kleinman sees bubbles, he's seeing the inside of his head.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Yup. They can. They do. If you understood the difference between grandparents and cousins, you might be able to understand them. If you or any biologist understood biological evolution, you could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Couldn'nt explain it to YOU, maybe, but nobody else seems to have a problem understanding it. When you learn the difference between your grandfather and your cousin, you might be able to understand the Kishony experiment too. ... a link that couldn't explain the Kishony experiment.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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