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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2742 of 2926 (904817)
01-08-2023 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2741 by dwise1
01-07-2023 5:48 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Feel free to ignore the facts, the mathematics, and the physics.
dwise1:
Why should I? YOU do all that for all of us, and more!

Get a clue, you stupid idiot!

Too bad that you (or any biologist) can't describe the physics and mathematics of descent with modification and how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Your C-- programming certainly doesn't do it.

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Kleinman
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Message 2745 of 2926 (904829)
01-08-2023 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2743 by dwise1
01-08-2023 12:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
Neither does your creationism and your abject ignorance of evolution. And of mathematical modeling. And the difference between sexual and asexual reproduction.

Please stop your constant reaffirmations of your own ignorance and your stupidity. We already know that you don't know anything! You don't have to keep proving it!

ABE:
Also learn something about biology so that you won't be so pathetic wallowing in your ignorance.​
Program this in with your masterful C-- programming, 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV, and combination selection pressures work for controlling weeds and insects. You would understand this if you understood the effect of the multiplication rule, but you don't. This isn't so hard to figure out unless you are bug chaser or a C-- programmer.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2746 of 2926 (904832)
01-08-2023 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2744 by ringo
01-08-2023 1:25 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Now which bacteria is he descended from.
ringo:
Again... it's what common ancestor that WE (including you) and modern bacteria are ALL descended from.

I get your claim. Your horse is related to fecal bacteria, cows are related to fecal bacteria, and you are related to fecal bacteria but you don't know which bacteria you descended from. Drug-resistant bacteria are also descended from drug-sensitive bacteria and they are also related to drug-sensitive bacteria but you don't know how or why this happens. The fake cowboy seems to know what happened millions of years ago but doesn't know what is happening right now.

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Kleinman
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Message 2748 of 2926 (904834)
01-08-2023 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2747 by ringo
01-08-2023 2:01 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
I get your claim.
ringo:
You really don't.

Sure I do fake cowboy. You fantasize about something you imagine happened millions of years ago but can't figure out what happens now. Perhaps you should apply your math, DU → MB.

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Kleinman
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Message 2750 of 2926 (904838)
01-08-2023 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2749 by ringo
01-08-2023 2:39 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Sure I do fake cowboy.
ringo:
No you don't. And you have no way of knowing whether I am a fake cowboy or a real cowboy.

Yeah, right, you are really Sharon Stone. And you don't know which bacteria you descended from but you are related to fecal bacteria. And you know this because your mathematics is DU → MB. Are you going to remake your movie and call it "The Slow and the Dumb"?

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2752 of 2926 (904841)
01-08-2023 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2751 by dwise1
01-08-2023 6:02 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
Message received and understood:
Yeah right, if you had gotten the message, you would know how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And if you knew how the multiplication rule works, you would know why 3 drug therapy works for the treatment of HIV and combination selection pressures work for controlling weeds and insects, but you don't. Your C-- programming has failed.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2754 of 2926 (904854)
01-09-2023 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2753 by dwise1
01-08-2023 6:36 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Your smilies and video don't help you understand how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Try again.

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Kleinman
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Message 2756 of 2926 (904863)
01-09-2023 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2755 by ringo
01-09-2023 10:42 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
And you know this because your mathematics is DU → MB.
ringo:
The mathematics is clear. And your attempt at joking about it doesn't work.

Who is joking? Your math is as dumb as your non-existent google search links that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Is this what your spurs look like?

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2758 of 2926 (904866)
01-09-2023 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2757 by ringo
01-09-2023 11:04 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Who is joking?
ringo:
Well, your DU → MB is not mathematics. You haven't even defined your terms.

I'm using your definitions and they are DU → MB.
Kleinman:
Is this what your spurs look like?
ringo:
If you have figured out how to google spurs, you should be able to google how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You'll see the explanations that SCIENCE has.

You are a Sharon Stone wannabe, and that's your fantasy. And if you think you are a relative of fecal bacteria, don't let me stop you with the mathematical and experimental facts. And using your definition, it is DU → MB.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2760 of 2926 (904868)
01-09-2023 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2759 by ringo
01-09-2023 11:52 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
I'm using your definitions...
ringo:
No you are not. I have never defined D, U or M. I have defined B as a descendent of ancestor A but nothing in your DU → MB says anything about that.

If you understand your own definition you could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Well, you would need to understand some introductory probability theory. I understand you are too busy with your Sharon Stone fetish.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2762 of 2926 (904871)
01-09-2023 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2761 by ringo
01-09-2023 12:20 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
If you understand your own definition you could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
ringo:
Nonsense.

Of course, your understanding of your own definitions is nonsense. That's why you think you are related to fecal bacteria. Did you know your relatives evolve resistance to antibiotics?

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 2764 of 2926 (905384)
01-25-2023 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2763 by ringo
01-10-2023 10:46 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Did you know your relatives evolve resistance to antibiotics?
ringo:
There's no point in going into any depth with you until you understand the difference between relatives and ancestors. Your cousin is not your grandfather.

You are already in way over your head, even when you are wearing your 10-gallon hat. You can't explain the evolution of drug resistance but neither can biologists.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2768 of 2926 (905430)
01-26-2023 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2765 by vimesey
01-26-2023 4:53 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You can't explain the evolution of drug resistance but neither can biologists.
vimesey:
Yeah they can. Drug resistance is driven by mutation and selection - as are all evolutionary processes.

Have a read of this article, which explains it in some depth: Controlling the Evolution of Resistance - PMC

Neither you nor the authors of your link understand the effect of the multiplication rule of probabilities on biological evolution. If you think I'm wrong, apply their math to the Kishony experiment and show how it works. After all, that experiment demonstrates the evolution of drug resistance.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2769 of 2926 (905431)
01-26-2023 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2766 by Phat
01-26-2023 7:46 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You can't explain the evolution of drug resistance but neither can biologists.
Phat:
This seems to suggest that *you* can and have....trumpeting your own horn as it were. I would find it a bit presumptuous to place my own scholarly acumen as being superior to most biologists.

I know how to do a simple probability problem and apply the multiplication rule to compute joint probabilities such as occurs with descent with modification and random recombination. Biologists have failed to do this simple math, no matter how you want to frame this discussion.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 335 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2770 of 2926 (905432)
01-26-2023 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2767 by dwise1
01-26-2023 9:43 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Phat:
I would find it a bit presumptuous to place my own scholarly acumen as being superior to most biologists.
dwise1:
He's a creationist. That's what creationists do, especially the creationists who have no clue what they are talking about.

Dunning-Kruger on steroids!

dwise1 still can't explain the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. dwise1 gets his clues from people that don't understand biological evolution.

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