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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
So this is how you decide what books to read? Only "pro Christian worldview books" are safe to read? No wonder you're stuck on such crazy ideas. Initially, as I began to listen to it, I realized that it was not necessarily a pro Christian worldview book, and I began to feel a bit of anxiety. After praying about it, I felt a green light and a thumbs up in regard to reading it and studying it as deeply as I have my other books.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If your worldview was solid, why would you be anxious about challenges to it?
I'm just admitting anxiety at being exposed to uncomfortable worldviews. Phat writes:
There is nothing audacious or imaginary about it. Rational is always superior to irrational. Period. End of story.
... you have the audacity to imagine that your rational view on things is always superior to religious belief. Phat writes:
You have a real talent for shooting yourself in the foot. It's a wonder there's still anything left of you below the waist. You threw out the Holy Baby with the bathwater. YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I certainly DO get to tell you that rational beats irrational EVERY TIME. Period. End of story.
You do not get to dictate to me what the beginning and ending of the story is. Phat writes:
And I have never claimed to have my own evidence, so why would you say such a silly thing?
You also do not get to have your own evidence, a comment that you have used on me a time or two. Phat writes:
That is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.
It may well be that Kurt Anderson is a non-believer, but he is very adept and skilled at describing trends in American culture. Phat writes:
Which makes my f**king point. If Americans were rational, they would be much better off. Why are you blathering on about it?
In this case, irrationality drove the myth of American exceptionalism... Phat writes:
You just finished demonstrating that it does!
So don't tell me that rational always trumps(no pun intended ) irrational. Phat writes:
Which is irrational! Americans are in the fix(es) they are in largely because of their wannabe irrationality. Rationality would be better! How can you not see that? We the people are tired of reality. We want America to be back in the saddle again. It's like you're trying to prove that the earth is flat by showing all the evidence that it is round.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Funny you should say that since you're always preaching AGAINST equality. Life should always turn out fair in the end. Everybody gets a ribbon. We the people will be rescued (and will need rescuing, by the way) before our species becomes extinct. Your problem is that you're looking for some external entity to rescue you while you're heaping scorn on your fellow humans who actually CAN help you.
Phat writes:
Well, of course there is no rescuer. The world WILL have to fix itself.
The anxiety stems from the idea that there is no rescuer and that the world will end up trying to fix itself. Phat writes:
You don't "strongly believe" anything. You may weakly wish.
I strongly believe... Phatt writes:
What has it got to do with humility?
...that humans are incapable of enough humility to get along with each other. Phat writes:
Why do you keep harping on that? You don't seem to doubt very strongly.
I doubt whether *any* of you would give everything up in order to save the people on the planet. Phat writes:
No. We don't. We need Jesus. YOU claim to "have" Jesus and what good has it done you? You're wrong about almost everything.
Phat writes:
How can you be so stupid? A global effort is essential, now more than ever.
Not some imitator who will propose a unified global effort at change and growth. Phat writes:
You have no case to close. You have no leg to stand on.
Case closed. End of story.
You're ignoring the story.
Phat writes:
No it is not. ringo writes:
This is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation of my position. YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up. You HAVE thrown out what Jesus said. You don't even TRY to refute that you have. You just deny, deny, deny, like a devoted Trumpite.
Phat writes:
How can the peanut gallery take notes when you never reply to the rebuttals? Just so the peanut gallery can take notes.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
And YOU have no evidence that Quetzalcoaltl isn't the "real" god. The only difference between you and me is that I treat all lack of evidence equally.
And of course you have no evidence apart from your own conclusions...nor do any of you. Phat writes:
You call that thinking? It's more like an empty accusation.
In fact, I think that you all are against the belief based on the evolution and impact of right wing politics. Phat writes:
On the contrary, I would be a fool to embrace madness as a replacement for reality.
Were Jesus to whisper to your conscience some night, perhaps not long from now, you would be a fool to dismiss your experience as madness. Phat writes:
Nonsense. The world has neen fixing itself forever. The world can't fix itself without draconian authoritarian meddling.... And learn what authoritarian means!
Phat writes:
You ARE being negative - foolishly negative, without a scrap of evidence to back up your negativity. And I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic. And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Who the f**k is "she"? I was talking to YOU, you moron. Are you trying to undercut Dredge's 9 IQ? And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church.At least she knows enough to go to church. I SAID that you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church. You don't have to demonstrate that I'm right. You've done that often enough before.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I demonstrate what I claim. YOU don't even try to refute my claims. You just deny, deny, deny like a devoted Trumpite.
No. *You* claim that I am wrong about almost everything. Phat writes:
The jury is in. Wait until the jury comes back with their verdict. The jury is in. The jury is in. Are you blind? How can you not see them? Are you deaf? How can you not hear the verdict?
Phat writes:
Which (AGAIN), you can not demonstrate. You and the peanut gallery may be left holding the bag. Phat writes:
Just try not to be so asininely wrong ALL the time.
Of course I dont expect to be right about everything... Phat writes:
Your guarantee is as worthless as the guarantee on the Hindenberg.
... I can almost guarantee that you guys will be wrong about a few things... Phat writes:
Thinking people are careful about certainty. YOU are not. YOU are certain of things that have been proven wrong over and over and over again.
... that you are certain you will be (and currently think you are) right about. Phat writes:
FYI, time is an ongoing thing. It has BEEN telling forever. YOU just aren't listiening. Time will tell.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Don't even waste time with stupid statements like that. ANYBODY can say the same thing about their own stupid ideas.
Time itself will allow my demonstration to unfold. Phat writes:
You just contradicted yourself again. You just claimed that "time itself" would demonstrate that you are right. That's the exact opposite of admitting you don't know everything.
Nobody knows everything. I can at least admit as much. Phat writes:
I was just humbled the other day, by xongsmith when I made a rash statement about global warming. You guys need to be humbled once in awhile. I expect to be humbled by smart people when I say something wrong. I am NOT humbled by foolish people saying something stupid.
Phat writes:
I don't feel like looking up the HTML entity for infinity.
Just try not to be so asininely wrong ALL the time.ALL? That sounds like a bit of a hyperbole. Phat writes:
I have asked you many times, why do you agree with him so often? Why don't you ever answer? I dont expect to be a devoted "Trumpite" anytime soon...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You didn't think for a split second before you said that, did you? You just decided to play Mr. Opposite. You might as well have said, "1 + 1 < 2 most every time." Art, Music, Creativity and belief will outgun logic, reason, and data most every time. Let's think about it now, shall we? Where would art and music be without logoc, reason and data? The worms don't produce much in the way of art and music, do they?
Phat writes:
That makes no sense. Right brain and left brain are inextricably intertwined. You can't pick one over the other. Your right brain came from the tree of knowledge. Your left brain comes from the tree of life.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No it isn't. Don't call what I say "nonsense" and then say something stupid like that. "Time itself" is synonymous with infinity and/or infinite wisdom.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nope. In. Dismissed. Gone home. And as for the jury?They are still out. And you have the unmitigated gall to quote from what you call a "dusty old book"? And you have the multplied gall to quote from the Revelation? The most obfuscated pile of nonsense in the book? Shame on you.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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