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Dredge
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Message 1380 of 1429 (904105)
12-22-2022 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1379 by AZPaul3
12-22-2022 2:33 AM


Re: UCD evidence
In other words, you can't provide any evidence to support your claim. Golly gee, what a surprise!!
You don't fool me, Clownman ... like most Darwinoids, you're a bs-artist and a con-man.

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Dredge
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Message 1382 of 1429 (904107)
12-22-2022 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1381 by AZPaul3
12-22-2022 3:00 AM


Re: UCD evidence
The bottom line is, all you've got to offer is your UCD fantasy. How pathetic. If I were you, I'd be embarrassed.

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Dredge
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Message 1384 of 1429 (904118)
12-22-2022 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1294 by xongsmith
12-15-2022 12:52 AM


Re: Provora - is this what Dredge wants to see?
Whereabouts in the article you cited does it describe the treatment of a disease being improved or created by the theory of UCD?
If the article doesn't contain any such description, it's irrelevant to the discussion on this thread
... but something tells me that you don't even understand that discussion, so I shouldn't be surprised by you providing an irrelevant article.

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Message 1385 of 1429 (904119)
12-22-2022 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1301 by ringo
12-15-2022 11:24 AM


Re: UCD evidence
ringo writes:
I can't believe that you don't understand: "relatedness of all species" is exactly the same as common descent. If you concede that all species are related, then you HAVE to accept common descent.
I accept the "relatedness of all species" in the sense that all species share certain genetic similarities ... which doesn't require accepting UCD.
Your problem as a brainwashed Darwinoid is that you can't accept relatedness due to genetic similarities without accepting UCD as well.
In other words, like all the Darwinoids, you're intellectually incapable of separating the facts (ie, the genetic similarities) the from a theory based on those facts (ie, UCD).
That's why you (and Darwinoids in general) mistakenly believe the theory UCD is practically useful to medical science, when the truth is it's only the facts of genetic similarity that are practically useful to medical science.
Dredge writes:
Secondly, UCD is merely a theory - you can't prove that it's "reality".
ringo writes:
Science doesn't attempt to "prove" anything.
... which means my statement is true: No one can prove that UCD is a fact.

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Dredge
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Message 1386 of 1429 (904120)
12-22-2022 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1299 by Phat
12-15-2022 9:21 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
the discipline of understanding another mans theory is the exact process through which vaccines,Chemotherapy treatments, even over the counter cough medicines were developed.
If you want to contribute to the discussion, please cite one example of how the theory of UCD has created or improved the treatment of a disease.
Do you even understand what the theory of UCD is?
You are a good Catholic, right? Explain any advances in the field of medicine among the clergy and laymen of the RCC that successfully moved forward in our (human) "fight" against childhood diseases or cancer treatments that willfully avoided the mainstream consensus at oh I dunno...UCLA or the Mayo clinic?
WTF?????? Bizarre.

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Dredge
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Message 1388 of 1429 (904123)
12-22-2022 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1303 by Taq
12-15-2022 11:39 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I think what you're trying to say is, scientists don't need the theory of UCD to know how and why vaccines work.
Taq writes:
Scientists used UCD to figure out how vaccines work, as I have already shown you. It doesn't matter if you think they needed it or not. They used UCD.
COVID-19 vaccines: modes of immune activation and future challenges | Nature Reviews Immunology
They used UCD? Really? In that case, whereabouts in the article you cited does a scientist say they "used UCD to figure out how vaccines work"?
Where does the article even mention UCD?
NONE of the articles you've cited so far describe the actual creation of or improvement in a treatment for disease due to the theory of UCD.
The best you've managed to do is cite a theoretical approach to research, for which there is no evidence that it's even worth pursuing.
It appears you're flogging a dead horse, but you're too proud and arrogant to admit it.

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Dredge
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Message 1389 of 1429 (904125)
12-22-2022 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1387 by Phat
12-22-2022 8:31 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
After all, even Pope Francis defended the legitimacy of biological evolution
Big deal. The Pope's opinion on evolution means nothing to me. He's merely parroting the consensus of the Darwinist cult that rules the scientific community ... which also means nothing to me.
Besides, I accept that life on earth has experienced great changes over vast periods of time, so in that sense I accept "evolution".
BTW what do you think of Francis?
The sooner he's replaced the better. The only good thing I've heard from him is when he spoke about the reality of demons and Satan ... how ironic!

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Dredge
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Message 1395 of 1429 (904774)
01-07-2023 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1390 by Taq
12-22-2022 10:37 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
They used knowledge of toll-like receptors to figure out how vaccines work, and our knowledge of toll-like receptors came from UCD.
So says Taq the Darwinoid con-man ... unfortunately for your lies, NONE of the scientists mentioned in the article said anything about our knowledge of toll-like receptors coming from UCD.
I have cited all of the relevant articles multiple times now.
So says Taq the Darwinoid con-man ... unfortunately for your lies,
NONE of the articles or papers you cited even mention UCD.

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Dredge
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Message 1396 of 1429 (904775)
01-07-2023 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1391 by ringo
12-22-2022 10:55 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
In other words, you can't answer my question:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
ringoat writes:
I'm pretty sure I did answer that question the first time you asked it, quite a long time ago.
I'm pretty sure you didn't answer that question ... all you did was make an assertion (re the use of cow and pig insulin in humans) ... no explanation was provided.
It isn't a question of "need".
The common ancestor is a fact. Nested hierarchies based on gross anatomy indicated common descent very long ago - and that fact was confirmed more recently by DNA.
We don't "need" it to be a fact but it is. We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact .
Here you go again ... making an assertion with no explanation in sight.
Explain why "We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact" of UCD.
Explain why cow and pig insulin would not have been used in humans without the "fact" of UCD.
- the evidence for that is the fact that deniers, like creationists, don't do anything in biology.
Hilarious. Many biologists are creationists.
What you mean is, no creationists are evolutionary biologists, who are the bullshit-artists, con-men and charlatans of the scientific community.

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Dredge
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Message 1397 of 1429 (904776)
01-07-2023 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1392 by ringo
12-22-2022 11:01 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
which improvement in the treatment of which disease has the "fact" of UCD provided? And explain how.
ringoat writes:
Cow and pig insulin improved the treatment of diabetes.
True, but as usual, you didn't answer my question.
We only thought of it because cows and pigs are related to us - i.e. we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs.
What a pity you can't cite even one scientific paper that says "We only thought of it because ... we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs."
Sadly, your baseless assertions are typical of the deceitful bullshit habitually excreted by Darwinoids.

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Dredge
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Message 1403 of 1429 (905331)
01-23-2023 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1398 by ringo
01-07-2023 11:17 AM


Re: UCD evidence
ringoat writes:
You don't even understand that because we are related to cows and pigs, we have a common ancestor. Being related MEANS we have a common ancestor.
Please cite a scientific paper that states that the use of cow and pig insulin in humans would have been impossible without the theory of UCD.
YOU explain why no creationist, no common-descent denier, has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
Please cite a scientific paper that states that no creationist or no common-descent denier has ever produced a useful idea about biology.

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Dredge
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Message 1405 of 1429 (905336)
01-23-2023 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1400 by Phat
01-09-2023 8:10 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
Some say that the Roman Catholic Church itself is a giant and ongoing cult.
The enemies of God's one, true Church don't know what they're talking about.
Our old member, Faith, used to attack them.
It's sad to see deceived people attacking God's Church. They know not what they do.
Saul of Tarsus thought he was doing God's will by attacking the Church.
Perhaps you could clarify how this "cult of Darwinoids" hijacked science.
"Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." 
Next, you could explain how the entire RCC selection process for a new Pope got hijacked by the evil one. After all, Jesus even said to Peter that the gates of hell would never prevail against His church.
A Pope parroting a story about evolution doesn't mean the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church.
If a Pope said the moon is made of cheese, it doesn't mean the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church.
It might help me if you shared some of the literature and source of thinking that you espouse.
Why would that help you?
"Take me to your leader."

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Dredge
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Message 1406 of 1429 (905338)
01-23-2023 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1401 by Taq
01-09-2023 10:41 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Nice try, con-man, but no cigar. The comments you highlighted in your quote were made by the author of the article, NOT by any of the scientists involved in the work on toll-like receptors described in the article.
NONE of the scientists mentioned in the article said anything about UCD.

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Dredge
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Message 1409 of 1429 (905878)
02-04-2023 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1404 by ringo
01-23-2023 11:54 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Please cite a scientific paper that states that the use of cow and pig insulin in humans would have been impossible without the theory of UCD.
ringoat writes:
I already answered that.
In other words, you can cite the grand total of ZERO scientific papers that support your claim ... so I can safely conclude that you're a typical Darwinoid - ie, a bs-artist, a con-man and a charlatan.
Dredge writes:
Please cite a scientific paper that states that no creationist or no common-descent denier has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
ringoat writes:
The onus is on you to cite any scientific paper in which any creationist or any science-denier has ever produced any useful idea about biology.
No, Einstein, that's not how it works ... you made the claim, so the onus is on you to back it up with some scientific evidence.
But you won't, bcoz you can't, which makes you a typical Darwinoid - ie, a bs-artist, a con-man and a charlatan.

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Dredge
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Message 1410 of 1429 (905879)
02-04-2023 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1408 by Phat
01-24-2023 3:34 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
Thus, im wondering if your sources originated through the church or if you simply favor Ken Ham and the ID proponents withot giving much of a thought about their source of information/wisdom.
Who is Ken Ham? Does he sell pork products?
Speaking of "sources", I quite like pork chops with apple source.

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