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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Of course it matters. Nobody is going to waste time trying to explain complex concepts to somebody with no more intelligence than a chicken. It doesn't matter whether I'm ready for that or not. There are two types of creationist - the liars and the dupes. The liars will ignore the science because they can't address it. The dupes won't understand it. The liars are not necessarily ignorant but their strategy is to keep the dupes ignorant. Education, information, etc. are not the friend of the creationists. It's hard to tell whether you are a liar or a dupe. You may be as ignorant as you pretend to be or you may be lying about how ignorant you are. Either way, you will not learn anything from us unless you are willing to learn.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
It matters in everybody's mind. You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about. You have not been able to convince any scientist anywhere that you know what you're talking about.
It matters only in your fake cowboy mind. Kleinman writes:
There's no need to explain it on this forum because everybody already understands it but you. And there's no point in trying to explain it to you because you don't have the necessary background in biology and mathematics to understand it. So, if you knew the reason that drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, you would explain it right now. Learn something. Then you might be able to understand the explanations.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I can read what everybody posts.
Now the fake cowboy thinks he knows what is in everyone's mind. Kleinman writes:
You're the one who doesn't understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C. THAT is mathematics. The gibberish that you puke out is not. In the meantime, keep on with your mathematically irrational fairytales.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I said in Message 2684, "You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about." Now the fake cowboy thinks that everything is written on this forum. That IS about this forum.
Kleinman writes:
You said in Message 147, "I like teaching biologists the physics and mathematics of biological evolution." Yet you keep demanding that WE explain things to YOU. That is why he won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Since you like teaching so much, explain to us why A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You're asking the wrong question. Who HASN'T pointed out that YOUR so-called "explanation" is bogus?
Who on this forum explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments? Kleinman writes:
No you have not. You haven't even READ the post that you're supposedly parrot-squawking to. I have, slow fake cowpoke. I SAID - and you QUOTED:
quote:It's nothing to do with thermodynamics. It's simple mathematics. Kleinman writes:
That is not an "explanation". It's a childish retort. And I have explained your mathematics. It is DU → MB. EXPLAIN it. Show HOW they are not the same.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You said you like to teach. The faux cowboy still hasn't explained why he is DU → MB. Teach.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I have told you many times. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about reptiles evolving into birds. Nobody says that. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about fish evolving into mammals. Nobody days that. I want to know why you never answer when I ask you that. What do you want to learn?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You asked what I wanted ti learn and I told you. Why are you ducking the issue? So the ersatz cowboy does not want to learn how descent with modification works....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Not fantasies at all. Reality. YOUR own statements. I said I want to learn why YOU think birds evolved from reptiles and why YOU think mammals evolved from fish. No scientist ever told you that, so I want to learn why you think that. The fake cowboy wants to learn about his fantasies. The fake cowboy can't deal with reality. You said you like to teach. Teach.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
That's YOUR fantasy. Nobody but YOU has suggested that. I have tried to point out to you the mathematical error YOU are making but you refuse to tell us where you came up with such an idea. ringo, the fake cowboy, will now explain his fantasy of how reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals... If you like to teach, TEACH. Tell us where you got the idea that ANYBODY thinks reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
NOBODY believes that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals, except YOU. So your "papers" are dangerous to nobody but you. CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be dangerous to those who believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. The reader is advised it will cause your bubble to burst. Your fantasy about antimicrobial drugs resistance are the same as your fantasies about birds and mammals - worthless.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
If you understand that, why don't you understand that you are related to your cousin but you are not descended from your cousin? Why don't you understand that mammals are related to fish but they are not descended from fish?
He is related to fecal bacteria but not descended from fecal bacteria. Kleinman writes:
You're misunderstanding AGAIN. I am descended from my ANCESTORS, not my relatives. You need to learn the difference between descent and relationship.
So tell us pea shooter, which bacteria are you descended from? Kleinman writes:
Related to, yes. Descended from, no.
Just because you believe you are related to fecal bacteria .... Kleinman writes:
Since YOU can't understand the difference between related and descended, YOI don't know enough about evolution to say anything on the subject. ... doesn't mean you know how drug resistance evolves....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You haven't supported your claim about fish evolving into mammals AT ALL. You run away from the issue. You have never been able to show where anybody but YOU has ever made such a claim. ... I support my claims with experimental evidence....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
It isn't a matter of "wanting to believe. It's a matter of accepting reality.
If you want to believe you are related to fecal bacteria, go for it. Kleinman writes:
I keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins.
So you don't know which bacteria you are descended from, you are only related to them. Kleinman writes:
No. Again, that is a relative, not an ancestor. You really should learn some basic concepts before you try to talk about evolution.
Maybe you descended from a fungus Kleinman writes:
Relative, not ancestor. You really should learn some basic concepts before you try to talk about evolution.
Maybe you descended from a retrovirus? Kleinman writes:
There's no room in there with you.
At least I don't flush my relatives down the toilet. Kleinman writes:
You're in way over your head. I wonder what that selection pressure was that evolved a bacteria into a fake cowboy.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
It's becoming clear why you are so confused about biology and mathematics. You have no reading comprehension. ringo writes:
So you are not related to your parents? keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins. Yes, I am related to my parents AND I am descended from my parents. But I am NOT descended from my cousins - I am only related to them. Descent implies relatedness but relatedness does not imply descent. That's another mathematical principle that you do not understand.
Kleinman writes:
No. You don't.
Now I get it. Kleinman writes:
Time is another concept that is beyond you. Did your parents appear in the primordial soup?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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