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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:Yep, and I support my claims with experimental evidence, a mathematical description, and an explanation using the laws of physics (something that biologists didn't get in their survey of mathematics and survey of physics courses). I learned the mathematics in elementary school. Too bad you only learned about rubber and glue.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
If you understand that, why don't you understand that you are related to your cousin but you are not descended from your cousin? Why don't you understand that mammals are related to fish but they are not descended from fish?
He is related to fecal bacteria but not descended from fecal bacteria. Kleinman writes:
You're misunderstanding AGAIN. I am descended from my ANCESTORS, not my relatives. You need to learn the difference between descent and relationship.
So tell us pea shooter, which bacteria are you descended from? Kleinman writes:
Related to, yes. Descended from, no.
Just because you believe you are related to fecal bacteria .... Kleinman writes:
Since YOU can't understand the difference between related and descended, YOI don't know enough about evolution to say anything on the subject. ... doesn't mean you know how drug resistance evolves....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You haven't supported your claim about fish evolving into mammals AT ALL. You run away from the issue. You have never been able to show where anybody but YOU has ever made such a claim. ... I support my claims with experimental evidence....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:If you want to believe you are related to fecal bacteria, go for it. Kleinman:So you don't know which bacteria you are descended from, you are only related to them. Maybe you descended from a fungus. That would mean there is a fungus among us. Kleinman:Maybe you descended from a retrovirus? Kleinman:At least I don't flush my relatives down the toilet. Message 2718 Kleinman:I wonder what that selection pressure was that evolved a bacteria into a fake cowboy.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
It isn't a matter of "wanting to believe. It's a matter of accepting reality.
If you want to believe you are related to fecal bacteria, go for it. Kleinman writes:
I keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins.
So you don't know which bacteria you are descended from, you are only related to them. Kleinman writes:
No. Again, that is a relative, not an ancestor. You really should learn some basic concepts before you try to talk about evolution.
Maybe you descended from a fungus Kleinman writes:
Relative, not ancestor. You really should learn some basic concepts before you try to talk about evolution.
Maybe you descended from a retrovirus? Kleinman writes:
There's no room in there with you.
At least I don't flush my relatives down the toilet. Kleinman writes:
You're in way over your head. I wonder what that selection pressure was that evolved a bacteria into a fake cowboy.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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He thinks he's related to dust, being descended from a Golem. And he sees no reason to try to rise above that.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:We now know what you think is your relatives. Why would you want to flush your relatives down the toilet? Kleinman:So you are not related to your parents? Kleinman:Now I get it. You are related to everything except your parents and they aren't a fungus. Kleinman:Did your parents appear in the primordial soup? Kleinman:Now you are just being silly, I don't flush my relatives down the toilet, that's your fantasy. Kleinman:That's what your relatives said just before you hit flush.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dwise1:I wonder if dwise1 knows that is where he shall return.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Conman the Bullshit Peddler is going to teach us how the gypsies created the fossil record.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Tanypteryx:Tany will now explain to us the lack of transitional forms found in the fossil record. He will do this with retroviruses since he can't explain how descent with modification works. And that humans got 200,000 retroviral infections which caused no harm to the lineage. He will then show us his collection of dead bugs in life-like poses. After all, Tany got social promotions in his survey of physics and survey of mathematics course which prepared him for a lifetime of bug chasing.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Conman the Bullshit Peddler is going to teach us how the gypsies created the fossil record.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Tanypteryx:Tany is confused, this is from Tany's imagination. Perhaps Tany wants to tell us the selection condition(s) that would evolve a bacteria into a fake cowboy or a poorly trained biologist.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Please, please take a class in biology. Preferably one that teaches evolution. Or maybe physical anthropology would be better (as per Dr Eugenie Scott's story; see below (not for you, but rather for those unafraid to learn something) ). Perhaps then you would finally no longer be so terrified of ringo's question that you've been running away from for ... how many months?:
ringo writes: Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? Anybody with even the most minimal understanding of evolution would be able to answer that question with ease. Yet you repeatedly run away from it in terror. Very similar to every other creationist I have encountered in the past four decades being terrified of that one question that none of them has ever been able to answer: "What the hell are you talking about?" For the edification of those inclined to learn:
About 25 years ago I attended a meeting where Dr. Eugenie Scott, PhD Physical Anthropology and former Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), spoke. In her presentation, she used her own experience in teaching the introductory physical anthropology class at a university in order to illustrate this famous quote by Theodosius Dobzhansky:
quote: She told of how she would always get senior undergraduate biology majors in her class who needed one more science course for their general-ed graduation requirements and chose her class for an "easy A" ("Little did those poor fools realize ... "). She also informed us that in many colleges and universities, the biology departments do not teach evolution to its undergraduates (she offered no reason why that was), so those biology majors in their final semester had not been taught evolution. But in her class, she most definitely did teach evolution. She described watching those students' faces for that "AHA!" moment that eventually hit every single one of them: "So THAT's why ... !" Until they had had a chance to learn about evolution, nothing in all those years of biology classes had made any sense.
Now just for fun. I have seen you respond with interest to a fellow creationist's mention of young-earth claims. Here's one from "Dr" Kent Hovind (his "PhD" is from a diploma mill, plus it's in "Religious Education" though he uses it to try to pose as a scientist):
quote: Now, the 5 million tons per second rate is slightly exaggerated, but still within reason. The 5 billion (109) years figure is also slightly high, but still within reason (we can safely ignore the 20 billion year figure as him misspeaking on a radio show). So what do you think of that young-earth claim?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 355 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dwise1:It is good to know that ringo isn't the only one that knows that DU → MB. So when is the master of C-- programming going to explain to us that since the internet exists, universal common descent is true? It won't be because he understands the physics and mathematics of descent with modification or how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Try to understand the mathematics for descent with modification. It is simple enough that even a C-- programmer can understand it.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Conman the Bullshit Peddler thinks he's a gypsy mind reader.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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