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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2709 of 2926 (904723)
01-06-2023 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2707 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2023 9:35 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler.
Tany will now explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Of course, that's a joke, Tany thinks that humans have had 200,000 retroviral infections that have done no harm. Chasing bugs has taught him so much about biology. Tell us about your dead bug collection where you put them in life-like poses.

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Kleinman
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Message 2714 of 2926 (904734)
01-06-2023 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 2710 by AlexCaledin
01-06-2023 10:57 AM


AlexCaledin:
If the best deisigners use computer design, sure, God does too!
But God's Computer is simply part of His mind, the software is the spiritual realm.
The ancient shamans of India contacted the spirits and they told them about evolution - because those spirits were software instruments used for Creation.
Welcome to the discussion. There certainly is logic to what is going on, but don't expect that from most of the posters.

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Kleinman
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Message 2715 of 2926 (904736)
01-06-2023 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2711 by ringo
01-06-2023 11:03 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
ringo, the fake cowboy, will now explain his fantasy of how reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals...
ringo:
That's YOUR fantasy. Nobody but YOU has suggested that. I have tried to point out to you the mathematical error YOU are making but you refuse to tell us where you came up with such an idea.

If you like to teach, TEACH. Tell us where you got the idea that ANYBODY thinks reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals.

The fake cowboy thinks he has a point. He is related to fecal bacteria but not descended from fecal bacteria. You really don't like your relatives because every time you relieve yourself, you flush your relatives away. So tell us pea shooter, which bacteria are you descended from?
Message 2712
Kleinman:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be dangerous to those who believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.

The reader is advised it will cause your bubble to burst.
ringo:
NOBODY believes that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals, except YOU. So your "papers" are dangerous to nobody but you.

Your fantasy about antimicrobial drugs resistance are the same as your fantasies about birds and mammals - worthless.

Just because you believe you are related to fecal bacteria doesn't mean you know how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail. My papers are dangerous, they cause your bubbles to burst.

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Kleinman
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Message 2716 of 2926 (904738)
01-06-2023 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2713 by Theodoric
01-06-2023 11:27 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric:
I am not making any claims on knowledge of that subject. You are making claims about what I asked you.

I have not heard the rubber and glue argument since I was in elementary school. But you seem to have adopted it as your only argument.
Yep, and I support my claims with experimental evidence, a mathematical description, and an explanation using the laws of physics (something that biologists didn't get in their survey of mathematics and survey of physics courses). I learned the mathematics in elementary school. Too bad you only learned about rubber and glue.

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Kleinman
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Message 2719 of 2926 (904741)
01-06-2023 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2717 by ringo
01-06-2023 12:02 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
He is related to fecal bacteria but not descended from fecal bacteria.
ringo:
If you understand that, why don't you understand that you are related to your cousin but you are not descended from your cousin? Why don't you understand that mammals are related to fish but they are not descended from fish?

If you want to believe you are related to fecal bacteria, go for it.
Kleinman:
So tell us pea shooter, which bacteria are you descended from?
ringo:
You're misunderstanding AGAIN. I am descended from my ANCESTORS, not my relatives. You need to learn the difference between descent and relationship.

So you don't know which bacteria you are descended from, you are only related to them. Maybe you descended from a fungus. That would mean there is a fungus among us.
Kleinman:
Just because you believe you are related to fecal bacteria ....
ringo:
Related to, yes. Descended from, no.

Maybe you descended from a retrovirus?
Kleinman:
... doesn't mean you know how drug resistance evolves....
ringo:
Since YOU can't understand the difference between related and descended, YOI don't know enough about evolution to say anything on the subject.

At least I don't flush my relatives down the toilet.
Message 2718
Kleinman:
... I support my claims with experimental evidence....
ringo:
You haven't supported your claim about fish evolving into mammals AT ALL. You run away from the issue. You have never been able to show where anybody but YOU has ever made such a claim.

I wonder what that selection pressure was that evolved a bacteria into a fake cowboy.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2722 of 2926 (904745)
01-06-2023 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2720 by ringo
01-06-2023 12:40 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
If you want to believe you are related to fecal bacteria, go for it.
ringo:
It isn't a matter of "wanting to believe. It's a matter of accepting reality.

We now know what you think is your relatives. Why would you want to flush your relatives down the toilet?
Kleinman:
So you don't know which bacteria you are descended from, you are only related to them.
ringo:
I keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins.

So you are not related to your parents?
Kleinman:
Maybe you descended from a fungus
ringo:
No. Again, that is a relative, not an ancestor. You really should learn some basic concepts before you try to talk about evolution.

Now I get it. You are related to everything except your parents and they aren't a fungus.
Kleinman:
Maybe you descended from a retrovirus?
ringo:
Relative, not ancestor. You really should learn some basic concepts before you try to talk about evolution.

Did your parents appear in the primordial soup?
Kleinman:
At least I don't flush my relatives down the toilet.
ringo:
There's no room in there with you.

Now you are just being silly, I don't flush my relatives down the toilet, that's your fantasy.
Kleinman:
I wonder what that selection pressure was that evolved a bacteria into a fake cowboy.
ringo:
You're in way over your head.

That's what your relatives said just before you hit flush.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 2723 of 2926 (904746)
01-06-2023 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2721 by dwise1
01-06-2023 12:55 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
He thinks he's related to dust, being descended from a Golem. And he sees no reason to try to rise above that.
I wonder if dwise1 knows that is where he shall return.

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Kleinman
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Message 2725 of 2926 (904748)
01-06-2023 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2724 by Tanypteryx
01-06-2023 2:17 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
Conman the Bullshit Peddler is going to teach us how the gypsies created the fossil record.
Tany will now explain to us the lack of transitional forms found in the fossil record. He will do this with retroviruses since he can't explain how descent with modification works. And that humans got 200,000 retroviral infections which caused no harm to the lineage. He will then show us his collection of dead bugs in life-like poses. After all, Tany got social promotions in his survey of physics and survey of mathematics course which prepared him for a lifetime of bug chasing.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2727 of 2926 (904751)
01-06-2023 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2726 by Tanypteryx
01-06-2023 3:17 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
Conman the Bullshit Peddler is going to teach us how the gypsies created the fossil record.
Tany is confused, this is from Tany's imagination. Perhaps Tany wants to tell us the selection condition(s) that would evolve a bacteria into a fake cowboy or a poorly trained biologist.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 2729 of 2926 (904757)
01-06-2023 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2728 by dwise1
01-06-2023 4:47 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
Please, please take a class in biology. Preferably one that teaches evolution. Or maybe physical anthropology would be better (as per Dr Eugenie Scott's story; see below (not for you, but rather for those unafraid to learn something) ). Perhaps then you would finally no longer be so terrified of ringo's question that you've been running away from for ... how many months?:
ringo:
Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?

It is good to know that ringo isn't the only one that knows that DU → MB. So when is the master of C-- programming going to explain to us that since the internet exists, universal common descent is true? It won't be because he understands the physics and mathematics of descent with modification or how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Try to understand the mathematics for descent with modification. It is simple enough that even a
C-- programmer can understand it.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2731 of 2926 (904760)
01-06-2023 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2730 by Tanypteryx
01-06-2023 5:23 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
Conman the Bullshit Peddler thinks he's a gypsy mind reader.
The bug chaser has going buggy.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2733 of 2926 (904762)
01-06-2023 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2732 by dwise1
01-06-2023 5:44 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
No. According to your own logic, if you yourself are incapable of being able to describe how the Internet works, then it cannot possibly work!

Your argument is complete and utter bollocks (AKA "bullshit").
Silly boy.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2735 of 2926 (904767)
01-06-2023 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2734 by AZPaul3
01-06-2023 6:32 PM


Re: Admin Action Requested
AZPaul3:
This thread has been of no discussion value, or fun, for some time.

I'm thinking this thing should be closed.

Admin: Request you consider closing this topic.

I thought there was a topic for these types of requests but I'm too lazy to continue hunting for the deeply buried thing. Sorry.
The warmonger lacks the intelligence to explain why drug resistance evolves and cancer treatments fail or how descent with modification works. All the cowardly twit has to offer is ignorance. He's the reason there is no discussion value or fun for this topic. Learn some introductory probability theory and then you might have a chance to understand biological evolution or go away because you have nothing to offer. Nobody is forcing you to read or post on this thread.

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Kleinman
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Message 2739 of 2926 (904801)
01-07-2023 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2736 by dwise1
01-06-2023 7:06 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
It's your own stupid illogic.

And your own inability to understand even the most basic concepts of evolution.

Please at least try to learn something about evolution before you yet again make a complete fool of yourself posing as some kind of expert on evolution when you are so clearly clueless.
It is clear that dwise1 has no idea why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Feel free to ignore the facts, the mathematics, and the physics.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2740 of 2926 (904802)
01-07-2023 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2738 by ringo
01-07-2023 10:52 AM


Re: Forewarned.
ringo:
keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins.
Kleinman:
So you are not related to your parents?
ringo:
It's becoming clear why you are so confused about biology and mathematics. You have no reading comprehension.

Yes, I am related to my parents AND I am descended from my parents. But I am NOT descended from my cousins - I am only related to them. Descent implies relatedness but relatedness does not imply descent. That's another mathematical principle that you do not understand.


At least the fake cowboy knows he is related to his parents. Now which bacteria is he descended from. Or doesn't the cowboy know?
Kleinman:
Now I get it.
ringo:
No. You don't.

Sure I get it. You know you are related to bacteria, you just don't know which one you descended from.
Kleinman:
Did your parents appear in the primordial soup?
ringo:
Time is another concept that is beyond you.

When did you descend from bacteria? Or don't you know which bacteria you descended from and when it happened. Let's give you a start, once upon a time there was a bacterium...

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