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Author Topic:   Testing The Financial Apologists
ringo
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Message 140 of 370 (904473)
12-30-2022 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
12-30-2022 9:27 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
Phat writes:
You and your extremist (not evidenced) view of Democracy and reality is both authoritarian and disgusting.
You don't know what "authoritarian" means.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 147 of 370 (904510)
12-31-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Phat
12-30-2022 3:37 PM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
How are you going to tax them? They have legal loopholes.
Who made the loopholes?
YOU keep electing governments who let assholes like Trump avoid paying taxes. YOU are cutting your own throat, letting the rich get away with robbing you. YOU are Trump's best friend.
Phat writes:
I think its unfair for the middle class to get wiped out simply to help the poor ...
I keep trying to tell you, helping the poor won't hurt you. Wiping out the poor - by making them middle-class - will make taxpayers of them, which will ease your tax burden. Teach a man to fish and you can keep more fish for yourself.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 156 of 370 (904602)
01-02-2023 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
01-01-2023 12:03 PM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
A tax increase for the wealthy wont solve the fiscal problems that a Democratically appointed Federal Reserve has caused.
Just wondering what you mean by "Democratically appointed".
Do you mean "democratically appointed"? Because "democratic" and "appointed" are pretty much opposites.
Or do you mean "appointed by Democrats"? Because, if you do, I'd like to point out, once again, that you ALWAYS back Republicans and you NEVER back Democrats, Mr. Doesn't-Know-What-Moderate-Means.
Here's a quick lesson in American government for you: The US has
1. the Executive branch, which may Be Democrat or Republican
2. the Legislative branch, which is subdivided into
a. the House of Representatives, which may Be Democrat or Republican
b. the Senate, which may Be Democrat or Republican
So... there are THREE entities, which may add up to Democrat-Democrat-Democrat, Democrat-Republican-Democrat, Democrat-Republican-Republican, etc.
So... it's pretty hard to blame the debt on one party.
But YOU seem to be able to attach blame to the Democrats, Mr. Doesn't-Know-What-Moderate-Means. SO show us HOW the Democrats are responsible for the debt.
(Another factor, just to put the icing on the cake, is that sometimes there is a NEED for borrowing - a hurricane submerges a major city, for example. So the justification for the debt rising gets even more complex.)
So SHOW us.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 158 of 370 (904672)
01-04-2023 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Phat
01-02-2023 9:10 AM


Re: The Global Debt Overshadows All Else
Phat writes:
You [Tangle] claim to have some knowledge and insight into the financial system and how it works, but you seem oblivious to the failure of fiat currencies backed by nothing except the people.
When somebody who knows the subject is "oblivious" to something, maybe that something is not significant.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 164 of 370 (904688)
01-05-2023 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Phat
01-05-2023 12:55 AM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
t looks pretty evenly mixed.
And yet you said in Message 148, "A tax increase for the wealthy wont solve the fiscal problems that a Democratically appointed Federal Reserve has caused. The Democrats will get rightly blamed for the next economic crash."
You have contradicted your own claim. And you have also failed to show that, "a tax increase for the wealthy wont solve the fiscal problems...."

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 167 of 370 (904693)
01-05-2023 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Phat
01-05-2023 11:55 AM


Re: Mandatory Debt leads to an antichrist system
Phat writes:
I defend private property rights. Even the Bible tells us to
quote:
Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Your Bible quote says nothing about private property rights.
Phat writes:
Government should never mandate compulsory giving beyond reasonable taxation.
Nobody has ever suggested that but you. Where are you getting this crap?
Phat writes:
And if the debt becomes unsustainable, we all should simply agree to wipe the slate clean...
Who is going to be agreeing?
Phat writes:
... rather than be under bondage to some socialist "humanitarian" bill.
Once again, money that is spend on humanitarian causes is not money thrown down the drain. All money that CIRCULATES in the economy is good for the economy.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 177 of 370 (904724)
01-06-2023 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Phat
01-05-2023 1:58 PM


Re: Mandatory Debt leads to an antichrist system
Phat writes:
Can someone explain to me why perpetual debt is necessary?
First, can YOU explain why perpetual debt is a bad thing?
Phat writes:
Why cant money simply have an intrinsic value that we can spend as we need?
The only "intrinsic value" in anything is our individual and collective productivity. Gold has very limited value, for things like electrical contacts and jewelry. It is "worth" only what people will pay for it, like anything else.
"Money" has never been anything but a medium of exchange. People agree that a pound of bacon (which has actual value) is worth so-and-so much gold, or such-and-such a number on paper.
Phat writes:
Why must "the world" live beyond its means?
The world is living beyond its means only in terms of the pollutants we are putting into the atmosphere, the oceans, etc.
Phat writes:
Debt is bondage.
Bumper sticker.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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