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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2679 of 2926 (904541)
12-31-2022 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2678 by AZPaul3
12-31-2022 3:23 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
And they won't get that correct explanation from a fake cowboy and a fake mathematician.
AZPaul3:
That's what we've been telling you, Kleinman. You with your forced bravado and errant numbers have no effect on reality.

Taq has already told you that my numbers are correct for asexual populations. He needs to learn that the world isn't made up of a constant, single-selection pressure environment. So, when is the warmongering coward going to Ukraine to stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned? And, anytime you are ready, I'll lance that big pimple that sits on top of your shoulders, then you can try and tar and feather me.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2681 of 2926 (904558)
01-01-2023 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2680 by AZPaul3
12-31-2022 5:59 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
So, when is the warmongering coward going to Ukraine to stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned?
AZPaul3:
My 3rd tour starts Jan 4. My pimples are fine, thank you.

Two tours already! You are a real natural born tar and featherer. Tell us all about the Russians you have tarred and feathered. You might as well do that since you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2683 of 2926 (904606)
01-02-2023 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2682 by ringo
01-02-2023 10:55 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
It doesn't matter whether I'm ready for that or not.
ringo:
Of course it matters.

It matters only in your fake cowboy mind. People are dying of drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments all the time. So, if you knew the reason that drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, you would explain it right now. But you don't know why this happens because you are also a fake mathematician. You don't even understand why the laws of thermodynamics govern biological evolution. So that makes you a fake scientist as well.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2685 of 2926 (904627)
01-03-2023 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2684 by ringo
01-03-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
It matters only in your fake cowboy mind.
ringo:
It matters in everybody's mind. You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about. You have not been able to convince any scientist anywhere that you know what you're talking about.

Now the fake cowboy thinks he knows what is in everyone's mind. Did you make this claim under the influence of loco weed?
Kleinman:
So, if you knew the reason that drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, you would explain it right now.
ringo:
There's no need to explain it on this forum because everybody already understands it but you. And there's no point in trying to explain it to you because you don't have the necessary background in biology and mathematics to understand it.

Learn something. Then you might be able to understand the explanations.

That's why you left out the line that people are dying of drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments all the time. Everyone understands this including the bug chaser that thinks the human lineage had 200,000 retroviral infections. Someone should teach the nincompoop biologist what drug-resistant infections, failed cancer treatments and HIV does to people. Taq tried with his koala example, they may go extinct due to this retroviral infection.
In the meantime, keep on with your mathematically irrational fairytales. You have a lot of poorly trained biologists like the bug chaser that agree with you. He couldn't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail either. He didn't learn much from his survey of physics and survey of mathematics courses. He only got a social promotion.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2687 of 2926 (904630)
01-03-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2686 by ringo
01-03-2023 12:00 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Now the fake cowboy thinks he knows what is in everyone's mind.
ringo:
I can read what everybody posts.

Now the fake cowboy thinks that everything is written on this forum. This fake cowboy doesn't read much.
Kleinman:
In the meantime, keep on with your mathematically irrational fairytales.
ringo:
You're the one who doesn't understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C. THAT is mathematics. The gibberish that you puke out is not.

The fake cowboy and fake mathematician is DU → MB. That is why he won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2689 of 2926 (904632)
01-03-2023 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2688 by ringo
01-03-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Now the fake cowboy thinks that everything is written on this forum.
ringo:
I said in Message 2684, "You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about."

That IS about this forum.

Who on this forum explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments? It certainly wasn't the bug chaser. And the fake mathematician, this is over his head, even if he wears a ten-gallon hat.
Kleinman:
That is why he won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
ringo:
You said in Message 147, "I like teaching biologists the physics and mathematics of biological evolution." Yet you keep demanding that WE explain things to YOU.

Since you like teaching so much, explain to us why A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C.

I have, slow fake cowpoke. I explained how the laws of thermodynamics apply to biological evolution and I provided you with the mathematics of descent with modification. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And I have explained your mathematics. It is DU → MB. Now that wasn't so hard. Perhaps even a bug chaser can understand this. He must have gotten this in his survey of physics and survey of mathematics courses. He had to in order to get his social promotion.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2691 of 2926 (904634)
01-03-2023 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2690 by AZPaul3
01-03-2023 1:49 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

That certainly was a short tour for the warmonger with fine pimples. So, how many Russians did you tar and feather on this tour? And no picture from the Wizard of Oz? You certainly won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2693 of 2926 (904649)
01-04-2023 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2692 by ringo
01-04-2023 10:56 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Who on this forum explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
ringo:
You're asking the wrong question. Who HASN'T pointed out that YOUR so-called "explanation" is bogus?

The faux cowboy still hasn't explained why he is DU → MB. It is simple math.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2695 of 2926 (904653)
01-04-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2694 by ringo
01-04-2023 12:10 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The faux cowboy still hasn't explained why he is DU → MB.
ringo:
You said you like to teach.

Teach.

What do you want to learn? It certainly isn't how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2697 of 2926 (904655)
01-04-2023 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2696 by ringo
01-04-2023 12:34 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
What do you want to learn?
ringo:
I have told you many times. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about reptiles evolving into birds. Nobody says that. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about fish evolving into mammals. Nobody days that. I want to know why you never answer when I ask you that.

So the ersatz cowboy does not want to learn how descent with modification works because that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. The pretend cowboy does not want to learn. The sham cowboy would rather fantasize.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2699 of 2926 (904687)
01-05-2023 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2698 by ringo
01-04-2023 7:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
So the ersatz cowboy does not want to learn how descent with modification works....
ringo:
You asked what I wanted ti learn and I told you. Why are you ducking the issue?

The fake cowboy wants to learn about his fantasies. The fake cowboy can't deal with reality.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2701 of 2926 (904696)
01-05-2023 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2700 by ringo
01-05-2023 10:54 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The fake cowboy wants to learn about his fantasies. The fake cowboy can't deal with reality.
ringo:
Not fantasies at all.

ringo, the fake cowboy, will now explain his fantasy of how reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals based on his understanding of mathematics, DU → MB.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2703 of 2926 (904708)
01-05-2023 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2702 by AZPaul3
01-05-2023 3:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
AZPaul3:
I fear you may have pushed "One Note" Kleinman onto a new loop.
Oh no, warmonger, it is the same loop, it is the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And in case you don't remember, for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
Now, would you tell us how many Russians you have tarred and featherered in your recent tour? That's your cue.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2705 of 2926 (904711)
01-05-2023 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2704 by AZPaul3
01-05-2023 5:14 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be dangerous to those who believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
The reader is advised it will cause your bubble to burst.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 334 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2708 of 2926 (904722)
01-06-2023 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2706 by Theodoric
01-05-2023 9:20 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric:
Name one person that believes that.
Name one person that can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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