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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
AZPaul3
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Message 2671 of 2926 (904521)
12-31-2022 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2667 by Kleinman
12-31-2022 9:55 AM


Re: Forewarned.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
That's your cue AZPaul3.
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2672 of 2926 (904524)
12-31-2022 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2670 by ringo
12-31-2022 12:13 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The fake cowboy and fake mathematician...
ringo:
I'm more of a mathematician than you. You don't understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C.

Yeah, right. Why don't you get your math published? You can't because you know less math than Tany and he didn't learn any math in his survey of mathematics course. And you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You just have imaginary links from your Google search. Post them if you have them.

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Message 2673 of 2926 (904526)
12-31-2022 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2672 by Kleinman
12-31-2022 12:46 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Why don't you get your math published?
Because it's something that is understood by every elementary school student. The only person I have ever encountered who doesn't understand it is you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 2674 of 2926 (904527)
12-31-2022 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2671 by AZPaul3
12-31-2022 12:29 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Right on cue from the warmongering tool. So, when are you going to tar and feather me? I don't do house calls so you have to come here. I'll do something for you, I'll lance that big pimple that sits on top of your shoulders.

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Message 2675 of 2926 (904528)
12-31-2022 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2673 by ringo
12-31-2022 12:53 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Why don't you get your math published?
ringo:
Because it's something that is understood by every elementary school student. The only person I have ever encountered who doesn't understand it is you.

Too bad you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Message 2676 of 2926 (904530)
12-31-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2675 by Kleinman
12-31-2022 12:56 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Too bad you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
As I said, you're not ready for that. You don't understand the very simplest basics of evolution, so how could you possibly understand how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?
Demostrate that you understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C. Then we can move on.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 2677 of 2926 (904532)
12-31-2022 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2676 by ringo
12-31-2022 1:04 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Too bad you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
ringo:
As I said, you're not ready for that. You don't understand the very simplest basics of evolution, so how could you possibly understand how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?

Demostrate that you understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C. Then we can move on.

It doesn't matter whether I'm ready for that or not. It's the people suffering from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments that need the correct explanation now. And they won't get that correct explanation from a fake cowboy and a fake mathematician.

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Message 2678 of 2926 (904537)
12-31-2022 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2677 by Kleinman
12-31-2022 1:36 PM


Re: Forewarned.
And they won't get that correct explanation from a fake cowboy and a fake mathematician.
That's what we've been telling you, Kleinman. You with your forced bravado and errant numbers have no effect on reality.
No one is going to get any correct explanations from the bad math, bad logic religious crapolla you have been spewing. That leaves only the actual science. The kind of working productive revealing science that everyone (but you and your religious fringe) understands as biology, evolution, physics … reality.
Yes, birds do share a common ancestor with the amoeba and mammals do share a common ancestor with casaba melons. That your errant religious views fall before these demonstrable facts is a reality you cannot seem to accept. You continue to lie about your papers and their meanings and you continue to spread falsehoods about the science you seem to fear so much.
Kleinman, Genesis did not happen; neither Genesis 1 nor 2. You can stop with your bullshit, now.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2679 of 2926 (904541)
12-31-2022 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2678 by AZPaul3
12-31-2022 3:23 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
And they won't get that correct explanation from a fake cowboy and a fake mathematician.
AZPaul3:
That's what we've been telling you, Kleinman. You with your forced bravado and errant numbers have no effect on reality.

Taq has already told you that my numbers are correct for asexual populations. He needs to learn that the world isn't made up of a constant, single-selection pressure environment. So, when is the warmongering coward going to Ukraine to stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned? And, anytime you are ready, I'll lance that big pimple that sits on top of your shoulders, then you can try and tar and feather me.

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Message 2680 of 2926 (904546)
12-31-2022 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2679 by Kleinman
12-31-2022 4:03 PM


Re: Forewarned.
So, when is the warmongering coward going to Ukraine to stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned?
My 3rd tour starts Jan 4. My pimples are fine, thank you.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2681 of 2926 (904558)
01-01-2023 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2680 by AZPaul3
12-31-2022 5:59 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
So, when is the warmongering coward going to Ukraine to stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned?
AZPaul3:
My 3rd tour starts Jan 4. My pimples are fine, thank you.

Two tours already! You are a real natural born tar and featherer. Tell us all about the Russians you have tarred and feathered. You might as well do that since you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Message 2682 of 2926 (904588)
01-02-2023 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 2677 by Kleinman
12-31-2022 1:36 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
It doesn't matter whether I'm ready for that or not.
Of course it matters. Nobody is going to waste time trying to explain complex concepts to somebody with no more intelligence than a chicken.
There are two types of creationist - the liars and the dupes. The liars will ignore the science because they can't address it. The dupes won't understand it.
The liars are not necessarily ignorant but their strategy is to keep the dupes ignorant. Education, information, etc. are not the friend of the creationists.
It's hard to tell whether you are a liar or a dupe. You may be as ignorant as you pretend to be or you may be lying about how ignorant you are. Either way, you will not learn anything from us unless you are willing to learn.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 2683 of 2926 (904606)
01-02-2023 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2682 by ringo
01-02-2023 10:55 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
It doesn't matter whether I'm ready for that or not.
ringo:
Of course it matters.

It matters only in your fake cowboy mind. People are dying of drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments all the time. So, if you knew the reason that drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, you would explain it right now. But you don't know why this happens because you are also a fake mathematician. You don't even understand why the laws of thermodynamics govern biological evolution. So that makes you a fake scientist as well.

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Message 2684 of 2926 (904623)
01-03-2023 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2683 by Kleinman
01-02-2023 4:38 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
It matters only in your fake cowboy mind.
It matters in everybody's mind. You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about. You have not been able to convince any scientist anywhere that you know what you're talking about.
Kleinman writes:
So, if you knew the reason that drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, you would explain it right now.
There's no need to explain it on this forum because everybody already understands it but you. And there's no point in trying to explain it to you because you don't have the necessary background in biology and mathematics to understand it.
Learn something. Then you might be able to understand the explanations.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 2685 of 2926 (904627)
01-03-2023 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2684 by ringo
01-03-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
It matters only in your fake cowboy mind.
ringo:
It matters in everybody's mind. You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about. You have not been able to convince any scientist anywhere that you know what you're talking about.

Now the fake cowboy thinks he knows what is in everyone's mind. Did you make this claim under the influence of loco weed?
Kleinman:
So, if you knew the reason that drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, you would explain it right now.
ringo:
There's no need to explain it on this forum because everybody already understands it but you. And there's no point in trying to explain it to you because you don't have the necessary background in biology and mathematics to understand it.

Learn something. Then you might be able to understand the explanations.

That's why you left out the line that people are dying of drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments all the time. Everyone understands this including the bug chaser that thinks the human lineage had 200,000 retroviral infections. Someone should teach the nincompoop biologist what drug-resistant infections, failed cancer treatments and HIV does to people. Taq tried with his koala example, they may go extinct due to this retroviral infection.
In the meantime, keep on with your mathematically irrational fairytales. You have a lot of poorly trained biologists like the bug chaser that agree with you. He couldn't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail either. He didn't learn much from his survey of physics and survey of mathematics courses. He only got a social promotion.

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