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marc9000 Member Posts: 1525 From: Ky U.S. Joined: |
dwiseguy writes: marc9000 writes: Couldn't you summarize it, condense it, and post it here rather than just saying to read an entire book? Already done in my Message 219 where I had recommended to Phat that he read that excellent book in order to finally learn what authoritarianism actually is. He keeps using that word but I don't think it means what he thinks it means. The best way to find out what a word means is to look at a simple dictionary definition. This one works well;
quote: It doesn't take a thick book dreamed up on a college campus to understand it any better. Gun control is the opener to a long list of additional authoritarian mandates from a government. History is full of examples. There is a danger that it will preclude new climate change authority, new restrictions on fossil fuel use, etc. The U.S. government recently hired 87,000 new IRS agents. That is additional authoritarianism. It looks like this book is a liberal dance to make recently out-in-the-open perversions to be considered "freedoms", and any questioning of it to be an infringement on freedom, or authoritarian.
So, how did you score? I don't have time for all that tonight. I might give it a try sometime, but the questions are obviously loaded, to show someone like me to be more of an authoritarian than a climate change fanatic, or gun control fanatic.
That new book does deal with Trump, though they had submitted the manuscript to the publisher on 26 Jun 2020 and Altemeyer's review of theirs and other books about the Trump Administration was written on 08 Oct 2020 (before the election, even). BTW, that link to Authoritarian Nightmare takes you to that review. Of course, it will show Trump as a terrible authoritarian, the first one in world history to advocate that the general public remain armed. But it won't mention that part.
I haven't read the latest book yet, but I'm sure that it analyzes some of the MAGAt dumbfuckery that keeps getting ever worse. Of course, and it won't mention Green New Deal authoritarianism.
BTW, it was John Dean who in 2006 urged Altemeyer to write The Authoritarians; read the Acknowledgements. Not a surprise, another Watergate guy, G.Gordon Liddy, an actual conservative, called John Dean a rat several times on his talk radio show back in the 90's. Not surprised that Dean would hate Republicans.
marc9000 writes:
Does it contain an LWA spectrum also? That is a most incredibly stupid and ignorant question. There's no such thing as a "LWA spectrum"! quote: Bob Altemeyer - Wikipedia
Please make an enormous life-style change and learn something about what you're pontificating about! You will be amazed at how much good it will do you to know what you are talking about. The irony at this funny place can get thick as a brick sometimes.
It's called the RWA spectrum because that's what it measures. And as Altemeyer explains himself, it has absolutely nothing to do with politics (except that MAGAts and other Republicans tend to be high-RWA and Democrats low-RWA). And you believe that? OF COURSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS! When people hear "right wing", they don't think of politics do they? I love this place! This book is obviously nothing but Democrat fringe entertainment.
Are you starting to understand now? I sure do, thank you very much!
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1525 From: Ky U.S. Joined: |
I gave you examples in the post you are quoting Message 44. You said, "Fossil fuels are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them." and I replied that so are drugs, explosives and poison gasses. All of them are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them. All of them have had laws passed against them. Taq brought up "laws" to address the fossil fuel issue. I wasn't referring to non-related laws like drugs or explosives. I was referring to his, or your, propositions for laws to deal with the fossil fuel issue. You know, authoritarian laws.
To spell it out for you, laws don't prevent people from doing what they want to do. They often do, when authoritarian laws do things like deny people the ability to register their cars because they don't pass climate change testing. Policemen who pull unregistered cars over carry guns.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9475 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Emissions laws are not authoritarian. These laws are doing exactly what the Constitution spelled out its purpose is. This is the part RWNJs ignore.
quote: What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1525 From: Ky U.S. Joined: |
quote: Climate change alarmists operate almost constantly on fear (climate change) and hate. (of Republicans) They are forever surrounded by horrific existential threats of climate change.
quote: Pot, meet kettle. It seems like a lot of Altemeyer's philosophy is to transfer Democrat characteristics on Republicans.
quote: A lot of Democrat voters are terrified of climate change, and will follow oil company hating Democrats anywhere.
quote: Biden gets no criticism from the news media. The wide open southern border issue was completely covered up in their news reports months before the last election. There's never been a better example of sheeple following their dear leader (Biden) to the end. The Biden thread here has been dead since summer. He must be perfect!
quote: Yes, the "common good", COMMUNISM.
quote: Yes, GROW THE GOVERNMENT. Edited by marc9000, .
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1525 From: Ky U.S. Joined: |
Emissions laws are not authoritarian. These laws are doing exactly what the Constitution spelled out its purpose is. This is the part RWNJs ignore.
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quote: The following is the part that Democrats ignore;
quote: Thomas Jefferson Rejects the Power of Congress to “Do Whatever Evil They Please” | Tenth Amendment Center
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9475 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Thomas Jefferson never said or wrote those words. I wonder if you are able to figure out who did write them.
Even so it does not support you in any way. I know of no one that thinks that clause overrides everything. That would be stupid. The writer is not saying general welfare is a throw away term and not a purpose of the Constitution, but like everything else there are limits. These limits are powers outlined in the Constitution. I know. Understanding what words mean is hard. Edited by Theodoric, : Subtitle What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
How is there a difference?
I wasn't referring to non-related laws like drugs or explosives. I was referring to his, or your, propositions for laws to deal with the fossil fuel issue. marc9000 writes:
So you're another right-wing nut who doesn't know what authoritarian means.
You know, authoritarian laws. marc9000 writes:
People are also denied the ability to register cars that are unsafe to be on the road. Climate-change regulations are just another part of safety regulations.
ringo writes:
They often do, when authoritarian laws do things like deny people the ability to register their cars because they don't pass climate change testing. ... laws don't prevent people from doing what they want to do. marc9000 writes:
Newsflash! Several police forces are now using a new invention - policewomen. Policemen who pull unregistered cars over carry guns. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Taq Member Posts: 10255 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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marc9000 writes: You know, authoritarian laws. What makes them authoritarian?
They often do, when authoritarian laws do things like deny people the ability to register their cars because they don't pass climate change testing. How is that authoritarian?
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Taq Member Posts: 10255 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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marc9000 writes: The U.S. government recently hired 87,000 new IRS agents. That is additional authoritarianism. WHAT?????? Enforcing laws is authoritarianism? What are you smoking? Every country enforces their laws. Is every country authoritarian?
Of course, and it won't mention Green New Deal authoritarianism. What is in the Green New Deal that you find authoritarian?
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ringo Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
So do zookeepers. "Don't put your hand in the cages." Climate change alarmists operate almost constantly on fear ... There are good reasons to warn people about dangerous things.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Taq Member Posts: 10255 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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Let me see if I understand the right wing view on things.
Authoritarianism is where a country makes laws and then puts people in charge of making sure people don't break those laws. Therefore, every country on the face of the Earth is authoritarian. What right wingers think our government should do is just let people pollute as much as they want. Dump tons of radioactive waste into every river system on the continent? Sure, go for it. After all, we can't get in the way of personal freedoms. That would be authoritarianism. Let factories flood our ground water with carcinogens? Sure, why not? They should be free to do whatever they want, right? Let people kill whomever they want? Absolutely!! People should be able to do whatever they want. Cross the border and get a job? Absolutely, that's a personal freedom, right? It would be authoritarian to tell people they couldn't. If you want to understand what the USofA would look like if these type of right wingers were in charge, just watch any popular post-apocalyptic show you know of where there's no laws and no police. That's what they want, apparently.
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Phat Member Posts: 18557 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Watch the Social Dilemma. It's a good documentary
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9475 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Relevance?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18557 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
There are good reasons to warn people about dangerous things. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9475 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
But irrelevant to this topic.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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