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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Y'know, there's a "Preview" button right beside the "Submit Reply" button. Maybe you should read what you're about to post before submitting such an infernally stupid reply. Im supporting individualism at *your* expense. I AM an individual, you moron. How can you support me against myself?
Phat writes:
Feel free to point to any propaganda that i have spouted. I will spout propaganda from both sides. You only spout it from one side.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
By all means, learn all you can.
ringo writes:
Only if I also get to learn what Capitalism is. Stop spouting far-right propaganda and learn what Marxism is. Phat writes:
Tell that to Hitler. He supported the individual wealth of the Krupp family but World War II ITSELF was not for the common good. There would not have BEEN a World War II if the common good was the goal.
The "common good" is not served by individual wealth.Tell that to Henry Ford. His company, Ford Motor Company, helped win World War II. Phat writes:
How is it a "good thing" if he did it himself but not if "we" took it?
Its a good thing that *we* didn't take Henry's individual wealth and give it to FDR. He did it himself voluntarily. Phat writes:
You say that without any evidence to support it.
Individual Wealth is good. Phat writes:
Look in the mirror.
Don't believe everything you hear. Phat writes:
Stop dreaming about what "seems" to be and respond to what I actually said.
ringo writes:
You seem to believe the idea that there *should* be no individual wealth. Your beloved "offshore system" streals from the community wealth in favor of individual wealth. Phat writes:
Nothing I have said is remotely far-left or Marxist. And then you have the gall to trot out Jesus to support your warped far left Marxist views. And YOU have a lot of gall even mentioning Jesus when you spit on everything He said.
Phat writes:
Yes. Am I wrong?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Again, you quote me and then go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I said. The anti-christ will not change the meaning of words.
ringo writes:
That's what the antichrist will do. I AM an individual, you moron. How can you support me against myself? Phat writes:
No. He obviously will not. He will pretend to BE Jesus.
He will argue that since Jesus never existed... Phat writes:
Do you disagree with that?
... *we* must all be moral individuals... Phat writes:
We must render unto Caesar. (But the Jesus in your head never said that either, I suppose.)
... and we *must* support the collective... Phat writes:
We already have one, by the way, the United Nations, which has done a lot of good in the world, despite the idiots who try to thwart it. ... (One World Government) And your hatred of governments in general is well-known. It does you no credit.
Phat writes:
Who said that? This whole idea that there is (or should be) no individual wealth ... This is what I mean about you spouting right-wing propaganda. THEY say that's what I think and you swallow it hook, line and sinker without paying the slightest attention to what I actually say.
Phat writes:
Are you saying it's a bad thing to be noble and honorable? Or are you saying that stealing from the collective to build our individual wealth is a good thing?
... and that we would be noble and honorable people if we supported the collective. Phat writes:
There is no reason to think that a government is "authoritarian" or "dictatorial" just because they disagree with you. It sounds good in theory but were such a government authoritarian and dictatorial (out of necessity, of course. ) we would have problems.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I'd call it Christian. ringo writes:
Interesting. What would you call it? Moderate? Nothing I have said is remotely far-left or Marxist.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Duh! By destroying Nazism. Explain to me how *we* could have achieved and implemented a common good that benefited Americans, Japanese, Germans and Russians all at the same time.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
My point was that there would not have BEEN a World War II if Hitler hadn't been supported by individual wealth. So how could *we* have destroyed Naziism without World War II?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Peanut gallery seems to be another term that you don't understand. It refers to people who are not necessarily active in the debate but who comment among themselves about it. In Yiddish they're called kibitzers. A man can never improve their wisdom or intelligence by being surrounded by a peanut gallery. And of course it IS possible to improve your wisdom and/or intelligence by listening to the peanut gallery. You SHOULD be able to learn from ANYBODY.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That is typical fake-Christian/creationist thinking - surround yourself with people who "don't understand" so you can feel superior. You don't use us to correct your biases and misconceptions. You use us to confirm them.
What I mean is that it is better to surround yourself with people who disagree with (and challenge) your biases and preconceived notions. Phat writes:
You should call us the peanut gallery because we ARE the peanut gallery, not because it's another term you don't understand.
That is why I call you guys the peanut gallery. Phat writes:
A charter member and an adopted member are two different (mutually exclusive) things.
Occasionally you adopt them into your peanut gallery as a charter member... Phat writes:
No. We have NO rules. We may get to the same conclusions but its by different routes. ... y'all have such strict rules... You should try to learn that when everybody in the room agrees but you, they might be right and you might be wrong.
Phat writes:
You ARE a member of the peanut gallery. ... I likely will never get added.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I thought he was referring to the Green Party. So by saying "no green seats" are you proclaiming, tongue-in-cheekily, that there is no middle ground for compromise between the two ideologies?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I have been re-reading a couple of books about Jim Keegstra. He was an Alberta teacher who was fired back in the 80s for teaching anti-Semitic conspiracy theories in his history class. He was later convicted under Canada's hate-speech law. ... the future of our national leader has everything to do with a New World Order, economic or otherwise. You sound a lot like him, with your obsession with the "New World Order" and "One World Government" and your disdain for secular humanism, socialism, etc. I felt like replying to the books: [qs=Phat] Just to let you know who your bedfellows are.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
They're singing from the same hymn-book anyway. Phat would embrace this guy.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And yet you never do. on my worst day I'd wipe the floor with that socialist. I can SAY that I could make a million dollars in one day - but that claim doesn't mean anything unless I demonstrate it. Demonstrate your claim by "wiping the floor" with ANYBODY. Demonstrate your claim by finding the floor, ffs.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I told you before to stop using that word until you understand what it means.
Authoritarianism is more prevalent in the political Left than it is in the political Right. Phat writes:
Taking responsibility is not authoritarian by any stretch of the imagination.
You guys wave your hands and claim that you *have* to take charge to save the planet and the people... Phat writes:
How on earth could that "disguise" authoritarianism? You disguise your authoritarianism under the guise of empathy and altruism.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rahvin writes:
People need to read the history of the Weimar Republic. The more "traditional" Republicans are at best trying to wait out the fascists while preserving their own power...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's what racists always say. THEY are the victims. "Those damn black people getting their lawns in the way of our burning crosses." "Those damn Jews getting their synagogues in the way of our swastikas."
... against conservative white males. Phat writes:
Racists never do.
I myself admit to having certain prejudices in life, but have never seen myself as racist. Phat writes:
Conspiracy much? Liberal women want to take over.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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