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Message 212 of 302 (904168)
12-22-2022 6:57 PM



What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


  
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Message 215 of 302 (904175)
12-22-2022 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Phat
12-22-2022 8:51 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
In what way? Logically? Physically? Intellectually?
Answer my questions from the previous post.
BTW do you even know what socialism or a democratic socialism even is?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 227 of 302 (904223)
12-23-2022 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Phat
12-23-2022 1:44 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
but all of that stuff that you quote vilifying Candace Owens is Liberal propaganda
Factual data is not propaganda.
So why did you bring Rep Ocasio-Cortez into this? Why did you feel to bring her into the conversation? Why do you think it is fair to compare Candace Owens to her?
Quit blaming blood sugar. Back your claims and hate with facts and data or run away and crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 233 of 302 (904547)
12-31-2022 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Phat
12-22-2022 5:07 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Still waiting.
Why did you feel the need to compare her with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez? AOC had nothing to do with the conversation.
Curious why you would link them.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 235 of 302 (904549)
12-31-2022 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Tanypteryx
12-31-2022 7:41 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
And he is a fucking racist.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 238 of 302 (904552)
01-01-2023 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Phat
01-01-2023 1:55 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
But AOC is a member of Congress. Candace Owens is a grifter. Why did you pick APC a d not a white person?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 239 of 302 (904553)
01-01-2023 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Phat
01-01-2023 1:49 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Maybe you should learn what racism means. I can not be racist against conservative white males. I will let you figure out why.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 243 of 302 (904584)
01-02-2023 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Phat
01-02-2023 10:02 AM


Re: The Global Debt Overshadows All Else
Toffler and his ideas did not age well. He had some hits but lots of misses. The solutions he presented were wide of the mark.
As a matter of fact recent scholarship is putting into question the whole idea that there was an agricultural revolution and what impact it actually had on societies. Human history is not as simplistic as many people want it to be.
The Dawn of Everything - Wikipedia
You asked what I read. This is a book I read in the last year.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 248 of 302 (904609)
01-02-2023 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by DrJones*
01-02-2023 7:51 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
I wonder is he a homophobe too?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 249 of 302 (904610)
01-02-2023 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Phat
01-02-2023 10:02 AM


Re: The Global Debt Overshadows All Else
BTW. If you think feudalism and landowners have anything to do with the agricultural revolution then you need to just shut up now. You really need to read some basic books about the subjects you feel like discussing. So far you have shown us that you know absolutely nothing about anything. Atheists even know more about your religion than you do. Maybe you should reconsider posting about subjects you know nothing about. So that would be everything.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 251 of 302 (904614)
01-02-2023 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by nwr
01-02-2023 10:27 PM


Re: Group-think
So most likely yes.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 253 of 302 (904907)
01-11-2023 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by Rahvin
01-10-2023 9:31 PM


Re: Getting Back On Topic
Phat likes to start inane discussions but quickly abandons them to move on to start another inane discussion. There are a number of comments I made that he has not replied to.
Same as it ever was.
BTW, I think he is both.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 263 of 302 (904925)
01-11-2023 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Phat
01-11-2023 2:42 PM


Re: Getting Back On Topic
I cant answer your incessant demands for evidence on topics that are obvious to the layman
Evidently they are not obvious. If you don't have an answer then you shouldnt have made the post in the first place.
Why did you bring up Rep. Ocasio-Cortez when discussing Candace Owen's?
How do we institute a gold standard?
Name fiat currencies that failed and why?
Why is silver a better investment than the stock market?
Do have any idea what The Federal Reserve does?
You can start there. You spoke like you understood these subjects. There should be no research if you do. You could just admit you don't know what you are talking about and were just spouting shit.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 265 of 302 (907764)
02-28-2023 10:46 AM


An actual economist has thoughts on Dalio
Worse than hypocrisy: Ray Dalio and the heart of darkest capitalism
quote:
Friends,
Bridgewater Associates is the world’s largest hedge fund, managing roughly $125 billion of other people’s money. The New York Times recently reported that its founder, Ray Dalio, agreed to relinquish control of the firm only if it gave him what could amount to billions of dollars in regular payouts over the coming years through a special class of stock.
Dalio already has an estimated net worth of $19 billion.
I first came across Dalio in 2019 when I read his 5,000-word treatise “Why and How Capitalism Needs to be Reformed.” I was intrigued. Here was a major financial figure arguing that capitalism “is not working well for the majority of Americans because it’s producing self-reinforcing spirals up for the haves and down for the have-nots.” That widening wealth gap, Dalio noted, is “bringing about damaging domestic and international conflicts and weakening America’s condition.”
Dalio foresaw one of two outcomes: Either we “re-engineer the system so that the pie is both divided and grown well” or else “we will have great conflict and some form of revolution that will hurt most everyone and will shrink the pie.”
All of that seemed right to me — even more so today. America has already started down the second path. Trump, DeSantis, and other demagogues have been exploiting working-class anger to pump up their power.
But Dalio had no proposal for “re-engineering” the system. To the best of my knowledge, he hasn’t supported a wealth tax or any tax increase on people like himself. He hasn’t proposed stopping giant hedge funds and private equity funds from forcing companies to squeeze out every ounce of profits, typically by suppressing wages and abandoning workers and communities. And he certainly hasn’t proposed capping executive pay.
Worldwide, there are now some 10,000 hedge funds, which together manage about $2 trillion — and they charge their clients a bundle. On top of a 2 percent management fee, they deduct 20 percent of any investment gains. This lets hedge fund managers classify much of their income as “capital gains,” taxed at a far lower rate than regular income. Their wealth has given them so much political clout that this absurd “carried interest” tax loophole remains, despite promises from the last four presidents to close it.
So while schoolteachers and cops face a marginal tax rate of 25 percent, hedge fund managers like Dalio have for years paid only 15 percent on their enormous incomes.
Yet most of the funds Dalio manages come from schoolteachers and cops and other average working Americans. Fully a third come from public pension funds such as the Pennsylvania Public School Employees’ Retirement System. Another third from corporate pension funds that are supposed to guard the retirement savings of their workers, such as those at Kodak and General Motors.
Meanwhile, CEOs and star traders now routinely demand eight-figure compensation packages to keep up with their counterparts at hedge funds.
It’s a giant zero-sum game, as Dalio himself recognizes. “In order to earn more than the market return, you have to take money from somebody else,” he says.
It’s worse than a zero-sum game because hedge funds, like private equity funds, pressure corporations to lay off workers, reduce the (inflation-adjusted) pay of average workers, bust unions, and move production abroad or to anti-labor states.
They also use their wealth to distort and corrupt American politics, as I’ve already noted.
And they use piles of borrowed money — thereby blowing gigantic, dangerous speculative bubbles. When Wall Street firms got into trouble in 2008, Bridgewater was one of the funds that pulled money out of Lehman Brothers, leaving the American public holding the bag.
There is little justification for hedge funds. If pension funds want to balance out any risks they may take in the stock and bond markets, they can accomplish this far more cheaply through standard leveraging tactics.
Note to pension fund managers: Get the hell out of hedge funds. You’re wasting the retirement money of the workers you’re supposed to represent.
Meanwhile, there’s no justification for the giant compensation packages of hedge fund partners.
Note to pension fund managers: If you absolutely must be in hedge funds, make your voices heard on taming executive pay.
And there’s no justification whatever for maintaining the “carried interest” loophole in the tax code.
Note to President Biden and Congress: Get rid of it.
As Ray Dalio wrote, the system is not working well for the majority of Americans because it’s producing self-reinforcing spirals up for the haves and down for the have-nots. Dalio and his compatriots are part of that self-reinforcing spiral. The rest of us are all the worse for it.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 270 of 302 (908470)
03-15-2023 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
03-15-2023 11:16 PM


Re: Frontline PBS Exposes The Problem.
Why do you think this doc supports your claims?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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