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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
A few years ago, a guy I know went down to Los Angeles with some buddies of his. The first evening, they were walking around when they noticed that everybody seemed to be looking at them. Was it that obvious that they were Canadian?
It was. They finally realized that everybody but them was wearing a jacket. (In Canada, if there's no snow on the ground it's T-shirt weather. The other day, I saw a guy taking his garbage out wearing shorts and sandals.) It's a brisk -24 F here, supposed to shoot up to -18 F later today. But there isn't much wind. The talking heads who do the weather report are about 12 years old, so they're horrified.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Recently, a representative of the School Board remarked that we NEVER have a snow day here. No matter how thoroughly they attempt to contact the parents, SOMEBODY is going to show up at the school, so there has to be somebody there to let them in.
Disclaimer: Once, when I was about 13, they did let us go home an hour or so early because a blizzard was on the way.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
So are drugs. Fossil fuels are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them. So are explosives. So are poison gases.
marc9000 writes:
Legislators have already suggested them, already debated them and already passed them. What kind of laws would you suggest?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
We have a running joke in Canada: Whenever there's a flake of snow, Americans die like flies. A lot of people don't immediately understand how warming can mean cooling. That was part of the reason for the lack of preparedness for the cold wave. It's been going on for years, long before global warming was thought of. The United States should be called the Unprepared States.
marc9000 writes:
Pointing out that a fat man is fat is not name-calling. Pointing out that an idiot is an idiot is not name-calling. That was the reason for my entering this thread and getting called names.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
I gave you examples in the post you are quoting Message 44. You said, "Fossil fuels are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them." and I replied that so are drugs, explosives and poison gasses. All of them are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them. All of them have had laws passed against them. What kind of laws would you suggest?
ringo writes:
EXAMPLES? Legislators have already suggested them, already debated them and already passed them. To spell it out for you, laws don't prevent people from doing what they want to do.
marc9000 writes:
See above. So climate change laws have been passed, and our troubles are over?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Yes you are. You agree with the extreme right-wingers on everything.
I am not an extreme Right Winger politically. Phat writes:
Go ahead and SHOW us that you disagree with right-wing extremists.
I never liked Trump, although ringo accuses me of following in his footsteps. Phat writes:
Page one of the right-wing extremist handbook (written in pictures like a Chick tract). I am pro-private property rights, and pro-business over government monopoly of technology... And "government monopoly of technology" is a right-wing extremist slogan, like "the Jews are conspirong to set up a New World Order".Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
How is there a difference?
I wasn't referring to non-related laws like drugs or explosives. I was referring to his, or your, propositions for laws to deal with the fossil fuel issue. marc9000 writes:
So you're another right-wing nut who doesn't know what authoritarian means.
You know, authoritarian laws. marc9000 writes:
People are also denied the ability to register cars that are unsafe to be on the road. Climate-change regulations are just another part of safety regulations.
ringo writes:
They often do, when authoritarian laws do things like deny people the ability to register their cars because they don't pass climate change testing. ... laws don't prevent people from doing what they want to do. marc9000 writes:
Newsflash! Several police forces are now using a new invention - policewomen. Policemen who pull unregistered cars over carry guns. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
So do zookeepers. "Don't put your hand in the cages." Climate change alarmists operate almost constantly on fear ... There are good reasons to warn people about dangerous things.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
There's a difference: Social media is only dangerous to people who worship social media. Climate change will kill everybody equally. Watch the Social Dilemma. It's a good documentaryCome all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're the only one who's talking about One World Government. This does not mean that we collectively need to morph towards a one-world "democratic" government that markets itself "for the good of all people".Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
Of course there is no "tradition" about global warming. We haven't understood it long enough to develop any tradition. And of course preventing global warming IS common sense. It's common sense to prevent (by laws or any other means) anything that threatens to destroy our way of life. One is about tradition and common sense, the other is about authoritarianism. So you have shown no difference.
marc9000 writes:
In Message 61, you quoted:
ringo writes:
I showed the definition of it in Message 61. It's very simple. So you're another right-wing nut who doesn't know what authoritarian means.quote:ALL laws put the common good before personal freedom. You're pretending that ALL laws are authoritarian, which is ridiculous. Again, you have failed to show any difference between laws about global warming and any other laws.
marc9000 writes:
Who said anything about "federal" laws? I'm talking about ANY jurisdiction with a responsible, first-world government, not just those Republiclowns in Washington who try to obstruct everything sensible.
No federal laws denying auto registration due to any type of mechanical inspection. marc9000 writes:
So you admit that what I said was true. Maybe a few liberal states....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
Yes, as I said, "There are good reasons to warn people about dangerous things." Free people should have enough sense to know a lot about danger. There is nothing "alarmist" about it. REAL alarms are not alarmist.
marc9000 writes:
We can't sense danger in a fire at the other end of the building when we can't directly sense it. Your plan is to turn off the fire alarms and wait for people to "directly sense" the fire.
We can't see danger in things like global temperatures, when we can't directly sense it. marc9000 writes:
You have it backwards. The "special interests" are trying to downplay the danger. "Don't worry, the fire will never make it to THIS end of the building. How could it?" When it's promoted by special interests. The special interests are trying to sell more petroleum products, more gas=guzzling cars, etc.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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xongsmith writes:
You're right. I have to be careful about thinking in bumper-stickers myself. ringo writes:
nothing could be further from the truth. The poorest countries will pay the lion's share as usual. then in order up to the Elon Musks hiding in their orbiting satellites. Climate change will kill everybody equally.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
Didn't you see the specific solutions when you quoted them? ringo writes: This is where climate change alarmists always stop. They never specifically name solutions. The special interests are trying to sell more petroleum products, more gas=guzzling cars, etc.1. Sell less petroleum products. 2. Sell fewer gas-guzzling cars. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
BUSES, moron. Nobody is suggesting that every welfare recipient should buy a Tesla.
You cant very well mandate electric vehicles when your blessed poor people cannot afford them. Phat writes:
Nonsense, AGAIN. Helping the poor brings your greedy class UP. And passing the expense on to the next class up only brings that class down.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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