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Theodoric
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Message 133 of 328 (904451)
12-30-2022 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
12-30-2022 9:27 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
2 mins of searching showed he was a racist and bigot. Also, he has no education or expertise in financial and economic matters. He is a publisher of a shady newsletter. Can you find anyone reputable that speaks well of him?
https://www.mediamatters.org/...rs-because-hes-not-least-bit
You and your extremist (not evidenced) view of Democracy and reality is both authoritarian and disgusting.
You should really learn the meaning of the words you use. Anti-racist, anti-homophobe and demanding the law to applied justly and equally is not authoritarianism. Please show how my "view" of Democracy is extremist.
Fuck me for having an opinion concerning the future reality of capitalism.
You have no opinion. You just post crap from RWNJ's(right wing nut jobs).
All that you seem capable of doing is attacking my sources.
If your source spouts crap, is a convicted fraudster and a racist and homophobe, then this needs to be pointed out. All sources are not equal.
I can easily attack yours as well.
But you never seem to be successful at it.
Your fucked up senile old man of a president
So he is not your President? And again you have no evidence for this? I guess you don't love the USA in reality?
You narrow-minded extremists want to tax the (far right conservative) rich
What have they done for you? I want them to pay their fair share. You are ok with people like donnie paying $750 a year in federal taxes?
And you are too stupid to see it.
No I demand evidence. I demand reputable sources. Not charlatans fleecing the rubes.
I will put my sources and evidence against the crap you throw against the wall any day.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 135 of 328 (904454)
12-30-2022 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Phat
12-30-2022 9:20 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
So present a proposal to have the US dollar backed by gold reserves.
Seems silly and not possible, but go ahead and tell us how it would be done.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 136 of 328 (904456)
12-30-2022 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Phat
12-30-2022 9:59 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
No I leave my balls where they belong and my balls have nothing to do with my intelligence and capabilities. Many of the strongest most intelligent people I know have no balls.
This is my subtle way of pointing out the misogyny you portray all the time.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 138 of 328 (904459)
12-30-2022 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Phat
12-30-2022 10:15 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
So you don't even understand the basics of what you propose and claim. The ridiculousness and impossibility of having a modern currency based on a commodity has been posted out tou in the past. Did you just ignore that? Do you remember expressing support for crypto? What is their value based on?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 152 of 328 (904580)
01-02-2023 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Phat
01-02-2023 9:10 AM


Re: The Global Debt Overshadows All Else
but you seem oblivious to the failure of fiat currencies backed by nothing except the people.
And you have yet to explain why this is an issue or proposed any other realistic system. You fail to realize that value and worth are man-made concepts. Commodities of any type are subject to price manipulation. Look at diamonds. There value and perceived worth is artificially manipulated.
You just continue to show that facts and data mean nothing to you. But a slick youtube video is your new guide star.
You make a new subtopic heading and then say nothing about it in your post.
Your rock is lonely crawl back to it.
BTW the US taking on debt at .5% or lower interest is now being shown to be brilliant. Wonder if you can figure out why.
We need a new billion dollar bridge connecting MN and WI, do you think that should only be built once the money is in the bank?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 155 of 328 (904587)
01-02-2023 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Phat
01-02-2023 10:06 AM


Re: The Global Debt Overshadows All Else
So you don't actually believe in actual capitalism, just the right wing imitation of it. Also, I see you ignored the majority of what I posted. Not surprised you always do

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 162 of 328 (904683)
01-05-2023 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Phat
01-05-2023 12:55 AM


Re: Trump Card
Even when you have facts and figures laid out in front of you, you are still incapable of looking at the data and coming to a non-partisan conclusion.
It looks pretty evenly mixed.
The Republican addition to the debt is 1/2 again as much as what the Democrats added. That is far from evenly mixed.
From your first source.
quote:
In nominal dollars, since World War II, just over 60% of the growth in the debt took place under Republican presidents, and about 40% under Democratic presidents.
The government has had debt since before it was officially formed. Our economy is big enough to handle the debt load. Is it something that needs to be controlled? Yes. Is it something to panic about? No. The debt cannot and should not be eliminated. The world and US economy would not be able to handle or survive massive debt reduction. There are too many other things(like housing and feeding people) that are much more important.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 163 of 328 (904684)
01-05-2023 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Phat
01-05-2023 1:23 AM


Re: Trump Card
Personal incredulity means nothing. Make a valid argument with legitimate sources.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 166 of 328 (904692)
01-05-2023 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Phat
01-05-2023 11:55 AM


Re: Mandatory Debt leads to an antichrist system
Yup done here. As you are incapable of having a logical, adult conversation I am done. I may comment on your utter stupidity from the sidelines.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 170 of 328 (904697)
01-05-2023 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Taq
01-05-2023 12:55 PM


Re: Mandatory Debt leads to an antichrist system
Phat writes:
And if the debt becomes unsustainable, we all should simply agree to wipe the slate clean rather than be under bondage to some socialist "humanitarian" bill.
What in the world are you talking about?
Time for the popcorn. If he answers it should be quite entertaining.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 178 of 328 (904728)
01-06-2023 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by ringo
01-06-2023 10:57 AM


Re: Mandatory Debt leads to an antichrist system
Since Phat dislikes actual currency, maybe he thinks we should go back to a barter system. I wonder if he thinks retirement accounts should pay out in durable goods or just precious metals. Where are they going to get the precious metals from?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 182 of 328 (909167)
03-28-2023 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Tanypteryx
03-28-2023 7:48 PM


Re: The Debt: 3 Months Later
The idiot still has no idea how the economy, financial markets and the government work. You would think with all of his whining, bitching and misinformation he would.have learned something.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 185 of 328 (909170)
03-28-2023 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Tanypteryx
03-28-2023 8:13 PM


Re: The Debt: 3 Months Later
And if he does pay I would like to know what his average tax rate is. Minimal at best I assume. I guarantee you that I pay a much higher average.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 196 of 328 (909359)
04-01-2023 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Phat
04-01-2023 3:26 PM


Re: The Debt: 3 Months Later
One guy and he is a fraudster.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 202 of 328 (909416)
04-03-2023 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Phat
04-03-2023 11:08 AM


Why would I trust anything Schectman has to say about gold? He sells it for a living. That is literally his job. He is not an expert on the global economy, he is a guy that sells precious metals. I guarantee he has never said that precious metals were not a good investment.
About | Miles Franklin
I also will cite Robet Wolf
It might help if you actually knew the names of the people you cite. His name is Richard Wolff. Not surprisingly he is not a well-known or well-respected economist. As I am not a Marxist I disagree with the basic premise of his argument.
Are you now a Marxist?
I guess you and Wolff need to provide evidence that more of the world is stopping the use of the US dollar.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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