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Phat
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Message 11 of 29 (904408)
12-29-2022 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Mahershalalhashbaz
12-26-2022 6:56 AM


Debate by Video
Great video!! These old codgers around here hate the idea of "debate through video" but they are just old and dont understand technology. Im surprised they even know how to use their cellphones!~
Welcome to EvC by the way.

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Phat
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Message 12 of 29 (904409)
12-29-2022 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
12-27-2022 11:35 AM


Re: the gospels that didn't make the cut
There is indeed such a thing as "the church". The church is the people on this planet who are called out and/or chosen by the Creator himself. Of course, you will argue that I lack evidence, but among believers, the evidence is in our hearts and not our carnally thinking minds.

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Phat
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Message 13 of 29 (904410)
12-29-2022 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tangle
12-26-2022 10:47 AM


Re: the gospels that didn't make the cut
Evidence Schmevidence.
Perhaps our new member just likes to air his opinion. You got a problem with that?

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Phat
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Message 14 of 29 (904411)
12-29-2022 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Theodoric
12-26-2022 10:05 AM


Re: the gospels that didn't make the cut
I suspect that our new member accepts the argument of Content over Source. You of course are an old school scholar who does things the old fashioned way. Who gives a whit about who wrote words? You claim that the Bible was written by humans, which we can accept. Where we differ, however, is that we (im assuming our new member also) believe that the Bible was inspired. It is not simply a book written by fallible humans with a secular motive to control the population.

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Phat
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Message 15 of 29 (904412)
12-29-2022 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by AZPaul3
12-20-2022 3:11 AM


AZ Does It
AZPaul3 writes:
I like having my views on things reinforced.
Perhaps my only reason for existence on this earth is/was to overturn your apple cart.

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Message 20 of 29 (904483)
12-30-2022 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by ringo
12-30-2022 10:54 AM


Fixed it for you.
ringo writes:
You throw out almost everything that Jesus said in the Bible.
​How can you even say that with a straight face?
I've argued but one thing. That we are commanded to give everything up. It may well be true, but you politicize it and charge the (mainly) conservative evangelicals with failing to do so. In your mind, they reject everything Jesus said and you lump me with them.

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Phat
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Message 21 of 29 (904484)
12-30-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by ringo
12-30-2022 10:49 AM


Re: the gospels that didn't make the cut
There is indeed such a thing as "the church".
ringo writes:
No there is not. There is no such thing as "the creator" either.
You better put your copy of the book down and walk quietly away. You have no respect for the celestial author who inspired primative people to record His impressions on their hearts and minds.
ringo writes:
Every church has its own creator - and every church has it's own standards to define who is "chosen".
Granted this is so. Humans are legends in their own minds. But truth is not relative, my friend. The Creator exists whether or not your "enlightened" intelligence accepts Him or not.
ringo writes:
You DENY the evidence that your idea is not the only idea.
OK, guilty as charged. Now what?
ringo writes:
Again, there is no such thing as one set of "believers". There are many sets of believers, each with its own set of beliefs, which are often mutually exclusive.
Only one group is on the right track. Again, they are called out. They were chosen initially and they chose to respond. You, on the other hand, chose to follow your own intelligence. Wrong turn.
ringo writes:
Everybody has the same evidence.
Yet only some accept it. Others look for excuses to trash it, reject it, and explain away their free will as if they were right.

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Phat
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Message 24 of 29 (904542)
12-31-2022 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
12-31-2022 12:05 PM


Re: the gospels that didn't make the cut
ringo writes:
Testing is not trashing. What is not there does not need to be trashed.

Explaining is not explaining "away". What is not there does not need to be explained "away".
Noted. You taught me never to park my brain at the door, never be afraid of throwing something (or someone) away if they are omnipotant, and keep fighting as long as there are bullets in both of your guns. Happy New Year!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 25 of 29 (904543)
12-31-2022 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
12-31-2022 12:05 PM


Re: the gospels that didn't make the cut
ringo writes:
I have more respect for the authors, plural, than you have. YOU are the one who rejects the book. But the authors, plural, are no more "celestial" than Fred Flintstone.
They are but scribes. They write what they are told (from within) to write. Perhaps you had best ditch your argument of relativity among human gods and get back tto what you know (or once knew) is true. BTW I bought us both a box of bullets. Help yourself!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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