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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I came across this video lecture by Bart Ehrman that's all about the gospels that didn't make the cut for the cannon and the various Christian sects that were all competing for their own brand of Christianity to win though.
The winners were of course those that we have today - the "Orthodox" - and they got to write the history and destroy most of the texts for the other gospels. But some have been found in hidden stashes. It's history, not exactly religion. I just thought others might be interested too.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
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Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Lost Christianities thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I just thought others might be interested too. Very interested. Thank you. I like having my views on things reinforced. Bible: Crazy stories about a crazy religion written by no one knows who.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
It could have all been so different...
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Mahershalalhashbaz Junior Member (Idle past 380 days) Posts: 5 Joined:
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Those gospels that didn't make the cut would appear to be at 4:21 the Gnostic Gospels. (I'd include a screen shot if I knew how to do it.)
They didn't make the cut for the very good reason that they were known to not be of Apostolic Origin. The Gospel of Thomas for instance was written about 150AD and clearly after the death of all those who knew Jesus. While it includes many authentic sayings it also includes fake sayings to promote gnosticism. Actually Luke refers to "Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us" which suggests there were other accounts even during the lifetimes of the Apostles. The four canonical gospels were accepted by the church because those who knew Jesus were alive to verify their accuracy.
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Mahershalalhashbaz Junior Member (Idle past 380 days) Posts: 5 Joined:
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Why You Don't Let Bart Ehrman Interpret the Bible for You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFqbVR_Ogw
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The four canonical gospels were accepted by the church because those who knew Jesus were alive to verify their accuracy.
You don't even know who wrote these words. There is no evidence anything was verified. Edited by Theodoric, . What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
baz writes: The four canonical gospels were accepted by the church because those who knew Jesus were alive to verify their accuracy. Evidence please.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Mahershalalhashbaz writes:
There is no such thing as "the church". Different churches have different canons. The four canonical gospels were accepted by the church....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Great video!! These old codgers around here hate the idea of "debate through video" but they are just old and dont understand technology. Im surprised they even know how to use their cellphones!~
Welcome to EvC by the way.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
There is indeed such a thing as "the church". The church is the people on this planet who are called out and/or chosen by the Creator himself. Of course, you will argue that I lack evidence, but among believers, the evidence is in our hearts and not our carnally thinking minds.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Evidence Schmevidence.
Perhaps our new member just likes to air his opinion. You got a problem with that?
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I suspect that our new member accepts the argument of Content over Source. You of course are an old school scholar who does things the old fashioned way. Who gives a whit about who wrote words? You claim that the Bible was written by humans, which we can accept. Where we differ, however, is that we (im assuming our new member also) believe that the Bible was inspired. It is not simply a book written by fallible humans with a secular motive to control the population.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: Perhaps my only reason for existence on this earth is/was to overturn your apple cart.
I like having my views on things reinforced.
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