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Phat
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Message 76 of 174 (904328)
12-27-2022 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Theodoric
12-22-2022 5:48 PM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Theo writes:
And gold and silver are down for the year.
And *surprise,surprise* the dollar is up! Way more than it should be up, given how many dollars (excess dollars) are in circulation. What goes up must come down.

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Phat
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Message 77 of 174 (904329)
12-27-2022 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by dwise1
12-24-2022 6:18 PM


Re: Bonds or Gold?
Did it ever occur to you that the value of the gold is inflating even as the market holds it down? If the credit markets all imploded tomorrow, some estimate the value of the gold to be north of $50,000.00 an ounce. (for a brief time, until stability was re-established)

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Phat
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Message 78 of 174 (904330)
12-27-2022 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
12-25-2022 10:15 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Theo writes:
Start with the 5 times claim
I'll try.
So far I only found this which supports my critics rather than I. I'm going to keep looking, however.

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Theodoric
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Message 79 of 174 (904341)
12-27-2022 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:05 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Because you are a troll and trolls are just to be pointed at and laughed at.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 80 of 174 (904342)
12-27-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:11 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
I have little time to fool around here entertaining your skeptically pickled brains.
Oh, please. You have plenty of time for repeating your conspiracy theories over and over and over again. You can find time to address your replies instead of more and more and more repetition.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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Message 81 of 174 (904343)
12-27-2022 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:17 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
You truly have no idea how the bond market works, but you feel capable of making economic and financial prognostications?
Debate with you is pointless. I will go back to just pointing out the blatant stupidities you spout. At least that way it is fun.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 82 of 174 (904344)
12-27-2022 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:20 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
About what?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 83 of 174 (904345)
12-27-2022 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
12-24-2022 9:09 AM


Re: Bonds or Gold?
Phat writes:
The bonds worth are calculated in U.S. Dollars.
Gold's worth is also calculated in US dollars. Gold would have yielded fewer dollars than bonds over the last 2 years.

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ringo
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Message 84 of 174 (904346)
12-27-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:25 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
You're still not addressing any rebuttals.
Give me a minute!
I've given you YEARS.
Phat writes:
I cant very well answer every one of your rapid fire posts and read books at the same time.
Start with ONE.
You've just done seven posts in a row, in the space of 23 minutes, making excuses and repeating nonsense about the dollar crashing. You have time. Think!

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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Message 85 of 174 (904347)
12-27-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:56 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Way more than it should be up, given how many dollars (excess dollars) are in circulation.
But you have not shown this to be true. Show us this 5-times increase in dollars in circulation. Also, you do realize that economics is more complex than more dollars= inflation, don't you?
How Does Money Supply Affect Inflation?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Taq
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Message 86 of 174 (904348)
12-27-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
12-27-2022 8:17 AM


Re: Bonds or Gold?
Phat writes:
Did it ever occur to you that the value of the gold is inflating even as the market holds it down?
Gold prices are actually down over the last 2 years. If gold prices were inflating they would be going up, just like prices for many other goods are going up.

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Theodoric
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Message 87 of 174 (904349)
12-27-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
12-27-2022 8:17 AM


Re: Bonds or Gold?
some estimate
Who? Source please.
Why would credit markets implode?
Did it ever occur to you that the value of the gold is inflating even as the market holds it down?
That makes no logical, financial, or economic sense. Gold has no more intrinsic value than pork bellies.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 88 of 174 (904350)
12-27-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Phat
12-27-2022 8:35 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
So did you lie? If one of your sources claimed this then they lied. Do you trust sources that lie to you? Of course you do.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 89 of 174 (904351)
12-27-2022 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:53 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
Yes, but only because it is the best of the fiat currencies.
Since all currencies are fiat currencies, the dollar is the best currency right now, period.
After Nixon separated the dollar from gold, the dollar became counter-cyclical to the gold.
Since gold is traded globally, this isn't surprising. Most internationally traded goods will become cheaper as the dollar strengthens since a stronger dollar has more purchasing power. The stronger the dollar is to the Chinese yuan the cheaper those Chinese imports will be for Americans. The price of gold is also set based on what people in other countries will pay for it, and if their currency is weaker than the dollar then the price of gold will go down with respect to the dollar.
The dollar can't even determine the value of itself.
Go to a grocery store. They have little signs everywhere that tell you what the value of the dollar is.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 90 of 174 (904354)
12-27-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Taq
12-27-2022 11:09 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
The amazing thing is that he thinks he has some sort of valid argument and reasoning. But all he does is expose his elementary school understanding of finance and economics. No wonder the youtube charlatans do so well.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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