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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I, for one, think we should be allowed to eat vegetarians - but that's only one vote and the vegetarians get to vote too. And even if we democratically decide to eat vegetarians, there is still a moral argument that vegetarians are human.
If I am a rancher in Wyoming, for example, why must I bow to the demands of a bunch of elitist whiners in Berkley who think that selling steak is cruel to animals... Phat writes:
There's no debate. So does the electoral college have anything to do with the old debate regarding whether the US is a Republic or a Democracy? Faith tried to tell me once that the US is a "republic", not a "democracy". I pointed out to her that it is a democratic republic. Both of you make the same mistake, confusing the party names with the general terms. When I first took an interest in politics, I called our two main parties the "tight-fisted Liberals" and the "spendthrift Conservatives". Typically, the party in power spends money like water and the opposition questions every penny.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But you do not get to dictate how people decide how to vote. If somebody votes Republican because they like red ties, that's none of your business. If I vote emotionally because I don't like to watch homeless people die. that's none of your business. Most of us here think your voting decisions are stupid but that's none of our business. Stupid people get to vote too.
voting should not be steamrolled based on emotional ideology. Phat writes:
You may not have heard the news: Life is not fair.
That is unfair. Phat writes:
Nobody is suggesting that. All anybody would ask is that he BE a taxpayer.
Unless you propose that the government take his ranch and divvy it up to a bunch of homeless people at taxpayer expense. Phat writes:
China IS a republic, by the way. A strong Democracy (or Republic, take your pick) is not run by the CCP nor should it ever be. And you don't get to decide whom it "should" be run by.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's not authoritarian. Please learn what that word means before you use it again. Don't you see how authoritarian that sounds? It's a social contract.
Phat writes:
It really does. Hypothetically, just because 5 friends always get together and vote and 4 of them vote for the same thing does not mean that the fifth guy always has to turn the other cheek. The best thing about our Western democracies is the fact that when our party doesn't win, we don't go up in the hills with our rifles and start a revolution. That happens in far too many places (and the US sometimes seems close). So yes, we do turn the other cheek and wait for the next election to have our say again.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dwise1 writes:
And the sheep's clothing doesn't fool the chickens. Wolves are too big to fit in a henhouse. That's why they infiltrate the herds of sheep. Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nobody is asking anybody to "grovel". We're asking him to respect the majority. Yes, even if the majority considers their own interests more important than his.
Should we expect him to grovel at the feet of the majority?Phat writes:
And the homeless people are doing us a favor by keeping the sidewalks warm?
He is doing us a favor by raising livestock. Phat writes:
Stop the Red Scare tactics. Or would you prefer the state do that?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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xongsmith writes:
You're demonstrating to people like Phat that "we" don't always march in lockstep. I mean, why are we arguing?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
A two-party-system isn't much better. It fosters too much polarization. I would be more scared of a one-party government. We currently have five parties and a couple of independents in the House of Commons. Even when the Liberals don't have a majority, the minor parties tend to side with them, philosophy-wise, so the Conservatives have little chance unless they can achieve a majority. Which led somebody to quip that we have a one-and-a-half party system: The Liberals are the more-ore-less permanent government but once every twenty years or so we keep them honest by electing the Conservatives for a term or two. I would stack up our government and our system against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
They did outlaw teaching slaves to read. So things can change, even in America. No you cannot outlaw a candidate from giving a speech or hosting a community talk or a neighborhood bbq. This is still America.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Fuck! If you or anyone else, be it woke Democrats or Chinese Communists ever tried to control free speech (or private property rights) the United States would enter a Civil War. Do you read your own posts at all? How would a war with China be a civil war?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's taken you since 2003-12-29. Patience, Grasshopper. It takes time to make an argument or defend an assertion.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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