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ringo
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Message 1347 of 1429 (903951)
12-19-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1336 by Dredge
12-19-2022 1:30 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Please cite a scientific paper that says the use of cow and pig insulin for humans would not have been possible without the theory of UCD.
​As others have pointed out to you, we don't have a lot of scientific papers saying that the earth is round or that elephants are big.
Now you go ahead and explain why creationists didn't think of it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1348 of 1429 (903952)
12-19-2022 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1337 by Dredge
12-19-2022 1:32 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
You really should never have admitted to being so stupid.
Honesty is the best policy.
If you were honest, you would admit that you're too stupid to comment on evolution at all. Ergo, you are not honest.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1350 of 1429 (903964)
12-19-2022 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1349 by Dredge
12-19-2022 12:12 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
An idiot can comment on evolution coz evolution is idiot science.
Non sequitur. An idiot "can" comment on anything but his comments are always going to be idiotic.
Dredge writes:
Gee, you must be so brainy - you said "ergo" instead of "therefore". Impressive!
Make up your mind. Am I brainy or retarded? If I'm brainy, maybe you can learn something from me - if you're capable of learning.
Dredge writes:
As for me, I'm way too dumb to use pretentious Latin words.
There you go again. If you're too dumb to use Latin words. you're too dumb to assess evolution.
And by the way, "ergo" was originally a Latin word. It is now a legitimate English word. It's in all the dictionaries.
(And also by the way, "ergo" is actually a smaller word than "therefore".)

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1352 of 1429 (903969)
12-19-2022 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1351 by Dredge
12-19-2022 12:58 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Four is not smaller than nine.
You really are just here to make creationists look bad, aren't you? Did the Pope send you?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1360 of 1429 (904011)
12-20-2022 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1354 by Dredge
12-19-2022 10:14 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
You really are just here to make creationists look bad, aren't you?
Lady, what r u talking about?
It's a pretty straight-forward question/statement. You make stupid creationist claims that have been refuted a thousand times. You scoff at well-established scientific facts. Your posts are just too stupid for anybody to take seriously so you can't be here to try to convince anybody that evolution is wrong or creationism is right.
You could be a poe (impossible to tell if you're really as stupid as you pretend to be). Or you could just be a common, garden-variety troll, who thinks it's funny to make a fool of himself on the Internet.
Either way, you're making the honest creationists (if any) look bad.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1361 of 1429 (904012)
12-20-2022 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1355 by Phat
12-20-2022 6:32 AM


Re: To Know: Two Different Definitions
Phat writes:
well if that's true, I fit the definition of a troll.
Yup, you sure do.
Phat writes:
I am guilty of starting new posts and, as you say, "running away" from answering old ones. I get that from my years arguing with jar.
You get that from being unable to argue with jar.
Hint: One way to argue successfully is to know what you're talking about.
Phat writes:
In other words, he would reframe the argument before I could get my own plane off of the ground!
The reason you couldn't get off the ground was because you were trying to fly a brick.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1363 of 1429 (904021)
12-20-2022 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1362 by Dredge
12-20-2022 11:05 AM


Re: Humans, Cows, Pigs and UCD
Dredge writes:
So next time you see a potato, remember that it's your distant cousin.
Which is why we can eat it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1366 of 1429 (904025)
12-20-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1365 by Dredge
12-20-2022 11:23 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You never do. It would be helpful if you quoted which instance of your ignorance you're referring to.
Dredge writes:
And what is a "poe"?
Ask "google".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1367 of 1429 (904027)
12-20-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1364 by Dredge
12-20-2022 11:17 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Don't ask me y ringoat uses as his avatar ... the mind boggles.
It's a long story. Are you up for it?
When I started at EvC, I didn't have an avatar. Eventually, I developed a short and quick response style. Somebody may have called me a "gunslinger" - you'd have to go back through 20,000 posts to find out who. In any case, I adopted Lee Van Cleef (in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly) as my first avatar.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we had a member whom I will not name, who has not been active lately, who is gay. One Valentine's Day, she suggested (as I recall) that we should be ambiguous about our partners' gender to avoid the appearance that only different-gender relationships are legitimate.
Misusing the instructions, as is my wont, I decided to become gender-ambigous. Hence, one of the few female gunslingers I could think of. (Raquel Welch in Hannie Caulder is another possibility.)
I have occasionally switched to Sean Connery as Marko Ramius, the Vilnius Schoolmaster, in The Hunt for Red October, which I claim looks more like me in real life (but nobody believes me) - but people seem to prefer Sharon Stone.
Consider yourself boggled.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1391 of 1429 (904135)
12-22-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1372 by Dredge
12-21-2022 11:56 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
In other words, you can't answer my question:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
I'm pretty sure I did answer that question the first time you asked it, quite a long time ago. It isn't a question of "need".
The common ancestor is a fact. Nested hierarchies based on gross anatomy indicated common descent very long ago - and that fact was confirmed more recently by DNA.
We don't "need" it to be a fact but it is. We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact - the evidence for that is the fact that deniers, like creationists, don't do anything in biology.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1392 of 1429 (904136)
12-22-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1378 by Dredge
12-22-2022 2:19 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
which improvement in the treatment of which disease has the "fact" of UCD provided? And explain how.
Answered many times. Cow and pig insulin improved the treatment of diabetes. We only thought of it because cows and pigs are related to us - i.e. we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs.
No creationist, for the past 6000 years, has thought of anything like that. Their denial of evolution prevents them.
Now YOU explain how that does not answer your question.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1393 of 1429 (904138)
12-22-2022 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1385 by Dredge
12-22-2022 8:00 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I accept the "relatedness of all species" in the sense that all species share certain genetic similarities ... which doesn't require accepting UCD.
It does if you're not an idiot. All species sharing genetic similarities IS UCD.
Dredge writes:
Your problem as a brainwashed Darwinoid is that you can't accept relatedness due to genetic similarities without accepting UCD as well.
No rational person could. They're the same thing.
Dredge writes:
you're intellectually incapable of separating the facts (ie, the genetic similarities) the from a theory based on those facts (ie, UCD).
You have utterly failed to show how it's possible to be related without being related.
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
Science doesn't attempt to "prove" anything
.... which means my statement is true: No one can prove that UCD is a fact.
You lost that argument a very long time ago. Science doesn't try to "prove" ANYTHING. It doesn't try to prove the world is round. It just shows the evidence. It doesn't try to prove that 1 + 1 = 2. It just shows the evidence. And it doesn't try to prove that things that are related are related. It just shows the evidence.
You're just piling stupidity on stupidity, trying to claim that the obvious isn't true.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1394 of 1429 (904139)
12-22-2022 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1389 by Dredge
12-22-2022 8:58 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Dredge writes:
The Pope's opinion on evolution means nothing to me.
Nothing means anything to you because you're an idiot. You don't understand the meaning of meaning.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1398 of 1429 (904782)
01-07-2023 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1396 by Dredge
01-07-2023 8:35 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
... all you did was make an assertion (re the use of cow and pig insulin in humans) ... no explanation was provided.
YOU are the one who claims that nothing useful has ever come from the understanding of common descent. The use of cow and pig insulin is obviously useful and it is obviously based on the understanding of common descent. YOU are the one who needs to explain your claim that the obvious is not true. You have not said ONE WORD about what is wrong with the obvious explanation. All you have ever said was, "Nuh uh." Put up or shut up.
Dredge writes:
Explain why "We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact" of UCD.
You don't even understand that because we are related to cows and pigs, we have a common ancestor. Being related MEANS we have a common ancestor. You're agreeing with common descent in one sentence and disagreeing with it in the next sentence. You're contradicting yourself.
How can anybody explain anything to an idiot like you?
Dredge writes:
Explain why cow and pig insulin would not have been used in humans without the "fact" of UCD.
YOU explain why no creationist, no common-descent denier, has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
Dredge writes:
Many biologists are creationists.
Name twelve.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1399 of 1429 (904783)
01-07-2023 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1397 by Dredge
01-07-2023 8:53 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
you didn't answer my question.
I answered. You didn't understand the answer.
Dredge writes:
What a pity you can't cite even one scientific paper that says "We only thought of it because ... we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs."
You won't find a scientific paper that says, "We only thought of it because the earth is round."
Scientific papers don't work that way.
Dredge writes:
Sadly...
You're the only one here who is sad. And of course, you don't understand why you are sad.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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