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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8562 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Continue to improve the flawed framework they came up with. Don't quote me on this but I think I remember Thomas Jefferson once wrote he expected a constitutional convention of the states to rewrite the whole thing every 25 years. We're late.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
AZPaul3 writes:
Do you know what a swing state, a battleground state, is? Do you know what gives a state that designation? I'd imagine it would be close polling, too close to call, 50-50. In the Winner-Take-All scheme you would campaign there to push your polling from 50-50 to 51-49 or even a bigger margin, but careful not to overspend once you are at 51-49 solid. In a Proportional EC a swing state night still be a 50-50. Or it might be 55%-45% in a 5 elector state and you would push for 75%-25% to get 4 electors out of the 5. or some such margin. In a 55 elector state that is polling 60%-40%, then you would push for 62%-38% to increase your electors from 33-22 up to 34-21 or more. So everywhere you would be pushing to get at least one more elector in each state you are spending money in. In the bigger states you could get more than 1 more, but not so much in the smaller states. It would take more a few years to work out how to allocate your campaign spending."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
AZPaul3 writes:
The EC was not "the very thing that was installed to prevent a looney from winning". That was not a consideration in its formation. Nor could it ever have that effect. Really? Wow, i guess my schooling was wrong about that. Thanks. I seem to remember reading that the Electors would be selected from trustworthy men (no women then) who would not let their passion take over their voting. And, in rare cases, to override a rabid public if the public had chosen an obvious loon. Of course the main reason was to convince the small states to join up. Edited by xongsmith, : clarity "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8562 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I seem to remember reading that the Electors would be selected from trustworthy men (no women then) who would not let their passion take over their voting. That was the original intent (Federalist Papers #68) but within the first 50 years things changed when states legislated their electoral votes, forcibly, to the majority winner in the state instead of proportionally or allowing electors any options in voting. The ancient history and their unenlightened ways are not the issue. We know better today. The question is what can we do about it today. This EC problem, regardless of the ancient history that got us here, can be solved by the states legislating proportionality in their EC votes. The more aggressive options are to have an amendment, or, hold a constitutional convention and rewrite the whole thing. The major impediment to either of these is that we have republicans. Edited by AZPaul3, . Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theo writes: We do have to be careful not to encourage a one-party State, however. (I've) Been ignoring this topic as it is another display of Phat's ignorance and trolling. The EC needs to be abolished as we abolished state legislatures appointing Senators. If we are going to move toward "a more perfect union" we must remove the anti-democratic legacies left in The Constitution. We must continue what the founders tasked us to do. Continue to improve the flawed framework they came up with. One need look no further than China to see how well that is working out.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Who the fuck is encouraging a one-party state other than the GQP? Do you even gave a clue about what you are talking about?
WTF does China have to do with US politics and government? What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Trump actually said that the US should use the one-party state and life-long presidency.
“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida aired by CNN. “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” Trump said to cheers and applause from supporters. And - just for fun - he supported the 'one-China' policy, throwing Taiwan under a bus. He's a really dangerous toe-rag.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theo writes: In my opinion, anyone who even asks that question is a wee bit ignorant.
WTF does China have to do with US politics and government?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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WTF does China have to do with the US government and politics in relation to your rant?
How is the fact that China is one party relevant? What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Waiting
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Patience, Grasshopper. It takes time to make an argument or defend an assertion. Give me a night to get it together. Oh and by the way, I hope that you and yours have a blessed holiday season and are all well fed, with warm cider mugs in hand! That goes for all of the peanut gallery, too.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Fuck! If you or anyone else, be it woke Democrats or Chinese Communists ever tried to control free speech (or private property rights) the United States would enter a Civil War. Do you read your own posts at all? How would a war with China be a civil war?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's taken you since 2003-12-29. Patience, Grasshopper. It takes time to make an argument or defend an assertion.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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