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Phat
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Message 76 of 118 (903912)
12-18-2022 12:11 PM
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12-18-2022 11:42 AM


Re: The USA is a very Scary country
In China, there are 1.4 billion people and only one party. Yet they are seemingly not idiots.

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Message 77 of 118 (903913)
12-18-2022 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by xongsmith
12-18-2022 12:10 AM


Re: The USA is a very Scary country
What frightens me is the idea that Biden was the best *we* could come up with. Simply being "better than Trump" is hardly enough.

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Message 82 of 118 (903940)
12-19-2022 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by xongsmith
12-18-2022 1:32 PM


Re: The USA is a very Scary country
Xongsmith writes:
Biden has been nothing short of spectacular.
Remember he has to deal with everyone in Congress on both sides of the aisle.

The Democrats are providing food, shelter, and comfort to ex-GOP people in Congress. You've no doubt heard of the problem of leading them being compared to herding cats. Once the fascist GOP is deservedly destroyed and goes the way of the Whig party, all the myriad components hiding in the true patriot Democrats can finally break up into the 3 or 4 sub-parties and your nightmare of "one-party rule" is over.

I will most likely join the Progressive AOC wing or the Warren wing. Or maybe I'll join the Bernie wing. Some will form and join an old-fashioned conservative Corporate wing and welcome, if not Mitch McConnell, his allies back into their fold. Liz Cheney will find a home there. The Moderates, Left and Right, will probably continue to accept huge donations from the corporate CEOs, who are actually the ones writing the legislation that is then passed, while these moderates never commit to anything.
Nate, I must confess that I am far from an expert in political thought and ideology. I have always considered myself a moderate (middle of the road) guy who looks at what each party has to offer me, much as a shopper at my grocery store picks items that agree with their personal tastes and preference. ( Now for a brief rabbit trail: My autobiography. )
I grew up in a home with a Democrat Mom and a Republican Dad. She liked Humprey and He liked Nixon. (circa 1968, I think? I must have been 9 years old when Nixon defeated Humprey.) In High School, my best friend Chris also had a very Republican Father. They owned a Greek Restaurant.
My Father was a General Contractor (Home builder) and dabbled in stocks. We were not rich, though I once figured out that by today's standards (adjusted for inflation) my Dad would have earned $100,000.00 a year. Heck, back then I thought we were rich! My first real job in life was as a Dishwasher at an old German restaurant, the Alpine Village Inn. I earned $2.75 an hour while most of my less ambitious co-workers earned $2.00. Our Boss, Mick, once said that if a union tried to get into the restaurant he would damn well shut the doors! My Dad, also self-employed, never cared much for unionized carpenters, either.
As a very young kid, I would go out and jump on my trampoline, imagining myself as the richest man in the world. In my dream, I had no wife or friends...for I was my own friend. I lived a dream life in a house that my Daddy built for $25,000.00 in 1960. I walked to elementary school. The houses in that same neighborhood today are million-dollar homes. Had my Dad lived, who knows what he would have done or believed?
Dad was a self-made man. He had no college. He learned how to build houses by being taught by his brother, my Uncle (shortly after the war. WW II) He loved me to death, (in fact I was a spoiled brat, as my parents always fondly said) They both grew up during the Great Depression. My Mom proudly mentioned Eleanor Roosevelt as her idol and inspiration. As for my Dad? He was proud to have fought for America, "beating them Japs" and in essence, getting the job done. (His words) He was an affectionate man of few words. He fancied himself a John Wayne, but he had the inner heart of Alan Alda (conservative version)
Mom was "the most frugal thing you've ever seen"(her words) In another era, Dad would have likely voted for Trump over Hillary. I voted for Hillary because my sister adored her.
They sent me to private school from grades 7 through 10. I finished out my education at a public school (I'm guessing that the inflation of the Viet Nam war era made it very expensive to send me to private school forever.)
Let me summarize
  • My friend's Dad, Galanis the Greek, started out Conservative He loved Reagan. Later, he switched sides and disliked Reagan for some reason. Jeanette, his daughter, later grew up to become a member of Mr.Bidens administration. Chris is now far more liberal than he is conservative. I, on the other hand, persist in remaining conservative-leaning. I never liked Trump, though had my Dad been alive he would likely have voted for him.
  • Its odd that you see the Republicans as fascists.
    Conservative radio host Glen Beck has a book out called The Great Reset: Joe Biden and the Rise of Twenty-First-Century Fascism. So my question is why the confusion? One side claims that the far-right are fascists. The other side (Beck and others) claims that the Democrats are being ideologically swayed by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) and China.
    It all adds up. Ray Dalio, another self-made man, observes a new world order as China ascends and the good ole USA descends.
    Let's continue my rabbit trail in the Book Nook. Message 4

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    Phat
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    Message 87 of 118 (903970)
    12-19-2022 3:51 PM
    Reply to: Message 86 by Theodoric
    12-19-2022 12:45 PM


    Re: The USA is a very Scary country
    Are you implying that there is in fact a two-party system and that the conservative side is full of propaganda? I hope you say yes because it will be a noble exercise to pin your ears back, O Donkey.

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    Phat
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    Message 94 of 118 (904040)
    12-20-2022 3:27 PM
    Reply to: Message 93 by ringo
    12-20-2022 10:58 AM


    Them's Fighting Words
    If you or anyone else, be it woke Democrats or Chinese Communists ever tried to control free speech (or private property rights) the United States would enter a Civil War.
    Of course, hate speech is a separate issue.

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    Phat
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    Message 95 of 118 (904041)
    12-20-2022 3:34 PM
    Reply to: Message 92 by AZPaul3
    12-20-2022 12:31 AM


    Is A Republic Popular?
    AZ writes:
    Who's talking (about) democracy? We are a republic.
    That's something I need to ask Mr.Dictionary and his bohemian wifey, Wiki about. What is the difference between a Democracy and a Republic?

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    Phat
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    Message 110 of 118 (904067)
    12-21-2022 9:33 AM
    Reply to: Message 104 by Theodoric
    12-20-2022 10:56 PM


    Re: Is A Republic Popular?
    Theo writes:
    (I've) Been ignoring this topic as it is another display of Phat's ignorance and trolling. The EC needs to be abolished as we abolished state legislatures appointing Senators. If we are going to move toward "a more perfect union" we must remove the anti-democratic legacies left in The Constitution.
    We must continue what the founders tasked us to do. Continue to improve the flawed framework they came up with.
    We do have to be careful not to encourage a one-party State, however.
    One need look no further than China to see how well that is working out.

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    Phat
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    Message 113 of 118 (904073)
    12-21-2022 11:16 AM
    Reply to: Message 111 by Theodoric
    12-21-2022 10:37 AM


    Re: Is A Republic Popular?
    Theo writes:
    WTF does China have to do with US politics and government?
    In my opinion, anyone who even asks that question is a wee bit ignorant.

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    Phat
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    Message 116 of 118 (904091)
    12-21-2022 6:09 PM
    Reply to: Message 115 by Theodoric
    12-21-2022 3:55 PM


    Re: The USA is a very Scary country
    Patience, Grasshopper. It takes time to make an argument or defend an assertion. Give me a night to get it together. Oh and by the way, I hope that you and yours have a blessed holiday season and are all well fed, with warm cider mugs in hand! That goes for all of the peanut gallery, too.

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