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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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My argument is that no one can prove that ToE (or any other theory) describes the process that shaped the fossil record, therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works. Yawn! Science isn't about proof. Science is about the best explanation, given the evidence. Neither you nor Bechly nor Behe has a better explanation.
Bechly and Behe are not going to persuade all those rusted-on atheist biologists out there. There are also many Christian biologists out there. "Atheist" has nothing to do with the issue.
On the contrary, all those rusted-on atheist biologists out there will be hostile to any suggestion of intelligent design in nature. I'm not hostile to the idea that there is intelligent design in nature. But I am hostile to the stream of lies and bullshit coming from the intelligent design movement.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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If science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works. Scientific knowledge is tentative and based on evidence. It does not require proof.
Translation: "the idea that there is intelligent design in nature" = "the stream of lies and bullshit coming from the intelligent design movement" Wrong. I actually believe that all biological organisms (including bacteria) have some degree of intelligence. And evolution amounts to them collectively using that intelligence to design future populations. As I see it, this is intelligent design in nature. However, it is not the kind of intelligence nor the kind of design that the ID movement is peddling.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You think evolution proves that God is a fantasy? Maybe we are getting to the core of the issue. Dredge is apparently worried that evolution somehow refutes his religion. Sorry, you have missed by a mile (or more). Evolution tells us nothing about God. It is the behavior of the god-bots (that includes you) that persuade us that your God is a fantasy.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Hypothetically, a YEC scientist could develop vaccines just as competently as a Darwinist scientist. Empirically (as constrasted with your "hypothetically"), many YEC were refusing to use the COVID19 vaccine, and were instead recommending horse dewormer medication.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Here's one dictionary definition of "know":
to perceive or understand as fact or truth; to apprehend clearly and with certainty That's a poor definition of "know". Knowing has more to do with acquaintance than with factuality. I can know the story of Little Red Riding Hood, even though it is not factual.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I mean, words like "fact ... truth ... certainty" are a world away from the scientific definition of "know" I doubt that there is a scientific definition of "know". Scientists do talk of facts and truth. The facts are their data, not their theories. But they can know their theories in the sense of being very familiar with them. Ordinary language mostly isn't based on dictionary definitions.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You can't argue with mathematics. You underestimate the trolling ability of trolls.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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According to Darwinist theory, every part of every living thing is the result of survival advantages. That's the viewpoint known as panadaptationism. Many (perhaps most) evolutionists disagree. Try reading up about exaptation and about spandrels.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Withholding necessary information in order to increase acrimony is troll behavior. Or maybe he is a child who found a new toy and is playing with it. I see it as much ado about nothing.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I accept that the theory of UCD is the best scientific explanation for the evidence ... for what it's worth. Why didn't you say that a long time ago?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Oh yeah ... if no one believed in UCD, no drugs or vaccines could be developed. I'm old enough to remember an earlier time. Yes, there were still drugs back then, but most of them didn't work at all well. To find new drugs, they would test exotic plants to see if they had any useful pharmaceutical effects. And yes, there were vaccines back then, but there were few of them. There was no vaccine for measles, for mumps, for chicken pox, for polio. Childhood disease was a more serious problem than it is today. Many of the newer more effective drugs and vaccines that we have today are due to research into biology and biochemistry which started as a study of evolution and inheritance.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Trolls will troll.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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And what is a "poe"? Poe's lawFundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Who is Ken Ham? He's a creationist from Queensland.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I grew up in Queensland and lived there for 50 years ... the only Ham I heard of was the kind one finds at the supermarket. Here you go:
Ken Ham He discovered that he could make more money in America than in Australia. Ken Ham says it is all about the Bible. But I'm suspecting that it is really all about the money.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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