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Author Topic:   Popular Vote vs Electoral College
ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 43 of 118 (903702)
12-15-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
12-14-2022 5:08 PM


Re: A Rancher vs UCLA Berkley
Phat writes:
If I am a rancher in Wyoming, for example, why must I bow to the demands of a bunch of elitist whiners in Berkley who think that selling steak is cruel to animals...
I, for one, think we should be allowed to eat vegetarians - but that's only one vote and the vegetarians get to vote too. And even if we democratically decide to eat vegetarians, there is still a moral argument that vegetarians are human.
Phat writes:
So does the electoral college have anything to do with the old debate regarding whether the US is a Republic or a Democracy?
There's no debate.
Faith tried to tell me once that the US is a "republic", not a "democracy". I pointed out to her that it is a democratic republic.
Both of you make the same mistake, confusing the party names with the general terms.
When I first took an interest in politics, I called our two main parties the "tight-fisted Liberals" and the "spendthrift Conservatives".
Typically, the party in power spends money like water and the opposition questions every penny.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 44 of 118 (903703)
12-15-2022 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
12-14-2022 5:30 PM


Re: Why do they call it Partisan Politics?
Phat writes:
voting should not be steamrolled based on emotional ideology.
But you do not get to dictate how people decide how to vote. If somebody votes Republican because they like red ties, that's none of your business. If I vote emotionally because I don't like to watch homeless people die. that's none of your business. Most of us here think your voting decisions are stupid but that's none of our business. Stupid people get to vote too.
Phat writes:
That is unfair.
You may not have heard the news: Life is not fair.
Phat writes:
Unless you propose that the government take his ranch and divvy it up to a bunch of homeless people at taxpayer expense.
Nobody is suggesting that. All anybody would ask is that he BE a taxpayer.
Phat writes:
A strong Democracy (or Republic, take your pick) is not run by the CCP nor should it ever be.
China IS a republic, by the way.
And you don't get to decide whom it "should" be run by.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 45 of 118 (903704)
12-15-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
12-14-2022 5:40 PM


Re: A Rancher vs UCLA Berkley
Phat writes:
Don't you see how authoritarian that sounds?
It's not authoritarian. Please learn what that word means before you use it again.
It's a social contract.
Phat writes:
Hypothetically, just because 5 friends always get together and vote and 4 of them vote for the same thing does not mean that the fifth guy always has to turn the other cheek.
It really does.
The best thing about our Western democracies is the fact that when our party doesn't win, we don't go up in the hills with our rifles and start a revolution. That happens in far too many places (and the US sometimes seems close).
So yes, we do turn the other cheek and wait for the next election to have our say again.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 46 of 118 (903705)
12-15-2022 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by dwise1
12-15-2022 2:01 AM


Re: The Daisy Spot
dwise1 writes:
Wolves are too big to fit in a henhouse. That's why they infiltrate the herds of sheep.
And the sheep's clothing doesn't fool the chickens.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 47 of 118 (903706)
12-15-2022 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
12-15-2022 10:25 AM


Re: Another Rabbit Trail: What are Populists?
Phat writes:
Should we expect him to grovel at the feet of the majority?
Nobody is asking anybody to "grovel". We're asking him to respect the majority. Yes, even if the majority considers their own interests more important than his.
Phat writes:
He is doing us a favor by raising livestock.
And the homeless people are doing us a favor by keeping the sidewalks warm?
Phat writes:
Or would you prefer the state do that?
Stop the Red Scare tactics.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 71 of 118 (903841)
12-17-2022 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by xongsmith
12-17-2022 12:22 AM


Re: Proportional EC better
xongsmith writes:
I mean, why are we arguing?
You're demonstrating to people like Phat that "we" don't always march in lockstep.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 84 of 118 (903962)
12-19-2022 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Phat
12-18-2022 11:17 AM


Re: The USA is a very Scary country
Phat writes:
I would be more scared of a one-party government.
A two-party-system isn't much better. It fosters too much polarization.
We currently have five parties and a couple of independents in the House of Commons. Even when the Liberals don't have a majority, the minor parties tend to side with them, philosophy-wise, so the Conservatives have little chance unless they can achieve a majority. Which led somebody to quip that we have a one-and-a-half party system: The Liberals are the more-ore-less permanent government but once every twenty years or so we keep them honest by electing the Conservatives for a term or two.
I would stack up our government and our system against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 93 of 118 (904016)
12-20-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by AZPaul3
12-19-2022 6:35 PM


Re: Proportional EC
AZPaul3 writes:
No you cannot outlaw a candidate from giving a speech or hosting a community talk or a neighborhood bbq. This is still America.
They did outlaw teaching slaves to read. So things can change, even in America.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 117 of 118 (904144)
12-22-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Phat
12-20-2022 3:27 PM


Re: Them's Fighting Words
Phat writes:
If you or anyone else, be it woke Democrats or Chinese Communists ever tried to control free speech (or private property rights) the United States would enter a Civil War.
Fuck!
Do you read your own posts at all?
How would a war with China be a civil war?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 118 of 118 (904145)
12-22-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Phat
12-21-2022 6:09 PM


Re: The USA is a very Scary country
Phat writes:
Patience, Grasshopper. It takes time to make an argument or defend an assertion.
It's taken you since 2003-12-29.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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