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Popular Vote vs Electoral College

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12-16-2022 10:59 AM 		Reply to: Message 49 by AZPaul3
12-15-2022 6:01 PM

Re: Proportional EC
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The super majority of voters along the coasts IS where the voters are.
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The voters are across the entire country. How many voters can a candidate speak to at any one go? It seems they can get that same crowd in less dense areas.
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In today's connected world, does it really matter where the candidate is?
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We are also assuming that there voting will be lopsided in coastal regions. It doesn't need to be that way.
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es, what minor numbers are added by the interior vote would be counted in the national totals. The point is, adding the interior vote totals would not change the outcome.
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It absolutely could. It wasn't too long ago in history that Republicans were winning along the coasts. This was the Georg HW Bush's electoral map:
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I think it is also a mistake to think that coastal voters are some kind of hive mind.
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The way I'm seeing the politics, a popular vote presidential election would concentrate political influence to the coasts. A repaired electoral college scheme would broaden the candidates' need to schmooze and pork barrel farther inland.
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If all candidates did that then they would split the coastal votes.
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12-19-2022 12:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 56 by AZPaul3
12-16-2022 12:31 PM

Re: Proportional EC
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Why do you continue to argue the effects of a popular vote using electoral college maps? This map does not show the popular vote.
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It does show that Republicans were winning on the coasts at one point.
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The point is that in a popular vote for president the states don't matter. Population density will determine where the influence, the schmoozing, the pork barrel should be spent. In this country that is on the coasts were the vast majority of the voters, of all flavors and persuasions, reside. Forget states. States mean nothing in a popular vote.
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If the candidates schmooze equally in high density areas then they will split the vote in those areas.
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My point for this discussion is that an electoral college type of setup forces, as we see today, presidential candidates to spend more political attention interior to the coasts.
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That's not true. It makes them spend time in swing states which can be anywhere on the map.
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