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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
As others have pointed out to you, we don't have a lot of scientific papers saying that the earth is round or that elephants are big. Please cite a scientific paper that says the use of cow and pig insulin for humans would not have been possible without the theory of UCD. Now you go ahead and explain why creationists didn't think of it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
If you were honest, you would admit that you're too stupid to comment on evolution at all. Ergo, you are not honest. ringo writes:
Honesty is the best policy. You really should never have admitted to being so stupid.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Non sequitur. An idiot "can" comment on anything but his comments are always going to be idiotic.
An idiot can comment on evolution coz evolution is idiot science. Dredge writes:
Make up your mind. Am I brainy or retarded? If I'm brainy, maybe you can learn something from me - if you're capable of learning.
Gee, you must be so brainy - you said "ergo" instead of "therefore". Impressive! Dredge writes:
There you go again. If you're too dumb to use Latin words. you're too dumb to assess evolution. As for me, I'm way too dumb to use pretentious Latin words. And by the way, "ergo" was originally a Latin word. It is now a legitimate English word. It's in all the dictionaries. (And also by the way, "ergo" is actually a smaller word than "therefore".) Edited by ringo, . Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You really are just here to make creationists look bad, aren't you? Did the Pope send you? Four is not smaller than nine.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
It's a pretty straight-forward question/statement. You make stupid creationist claims that have been refuted a thousand times. You scoff at well-established scientific facts. Your posts are just too stupid for anybody to take seriously so you can't be here to try to convince anybody that evolution is wrong or creationism is right. ringo writes:
Lady, what r u talking about? You really are just here to make creationists look bad, aren't you? You could be a poe (impossible to tell if you're really as stupid as you pretend to be). Or you could just be a common, garden-variety troll, who thinks it's funny to make a fool of himself on the Internet. Either way, you're making the honest creationists (if any) look bad.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Yup, you sure do.
well if that's true, I fit the definition of a troll. Phat writes:
You get that from being unable to argue with jar. I am guilty of starting new posts and, as you say, "running away" from answering old ones. I get that from my years arguing with jar. Hint: One way to argue successfully is to know what you're talking about.
Phat writes:
The reason you couldn't get off the ground was because you were trying to fly a brick. In other words, he would reframe the argument before I could get my own plane off of the ground!Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Which is why we can eat it. So next time you see a potato, remember that it's your distant cousin.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You never do. It would be helpful if you quoted which instance of your ignorance you're referring to. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Dredge writes:
Ask "google". And what is a "poe"?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
It's a long story. Are you up for it?
Don't ask me y ringoat uses as his avatar ... the mind boggles. When I started at EvC, I didn't have an avatar. Eventually, I developed a short and quick response style. Somebody may have called me a "gunslinger" - you'd have to go back through 20,000 posts to find out who. In any case, I adopted Lee Van Cleef (in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly) as my first avatar. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we had a member whom I will not name, who has not been active lately, who is gay. One Valentine's Day, she suggested (as I recall) that we should be ambiguous about our partners' gender to avoid the appearance that only different-gender relationships are legitimate. Misusing the instructions, as is my wont, I decided to become gender-ambigous. Hence, one of the few female gunslingers I could think of. (Raquel Welch in Hannie Caulder is another possibility.) I have occasionally switched to Sean Connery as Marko Ramius, the Vilnius Schoolmaster, in The Hunt for Red October, which I claim looks more like me in real life (but nobody believes me) - but people seem to prefer Sharon Stone. Consider yourself boggled.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I'm pretty sure I did answer that question the first time you asked it, quite a long time ago. It isn't a question of "need". In other words, you can't answer my question:Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals? The common ancestor is a fact. Nested hierarchies based on gross anatomy indicated common descent very long ago - and that fact was confirmed more recently by DNA. We don't "need" it to be a fact but it is. We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact - the evidence for that is the fact that deniers, like creationists, don't do anything in biology.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Answered many times. Cow and pig insulin improved the treatment of diabetes. We only thought of it because cows and pigs are related to us - i.e. we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs. which improvement in the treatment of which disease has the "fact" of UCD provided? And explain how. No creationist, for the past 6000 years, has thought of anything like that. Their denial of evolution prevents them. Now YOU explain how that does not answer your question.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
It does if you're not an idiot. All species sharing genetic similarities IS UCD.
I accept the "relatedness of all species" in the sense that all species share certain genetic similarities ... which doesn't require accepting UCD. Dredge writes:
No rational person could. They're the same thing.
Your problem as a brainwashed Darwinoid is that you can't accept relatedness due to genetic similarities without accepting UCD as well. Dredge writes:
You have utterly failed to show how it's possible to be related without being related.
you're intellectually incapable of separating the facts (ie, the genetic similarities) the from a theory based on those facts (ie, UCD). Dredge writes:
You lost that argument a very long time ago. Science doesn't try to "prove" ANYTHING. It doesn't try to prove the world is round. It just shows the evidence. It doesn't try to prove that 1 + 1 = 2. It just shows the evidence. And it doesn't try to prove that things that are related are related. It just shows the evidence. ringo writes:
.... which means my statement is true: No one can prove that UCD is a fact. Science doesn't attempt to "prove" anything You're just piling stupidity on stupidity, trying to claim that the obvious isn't true.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Nothing means anything to you because you're an idiot. You don't understand the meaning of meaning. The Pope's opinion on evolution means nothing to me.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
YOU are the one who claims that nothing useful has ever come from the understanding of common descent. The use of cow and pig insulin is obviously useful and it is obviously based on the understanding of common descent. YOU are the one who needs to explain your claim that the obvious is not true. You have not said ONE WORD about what is wrong with the obvious explanation. All you have ever said was, "Nuh uh." Put up or shut up.
... all you did was make an assertion (re the use of cow and pig insulin in humans) ... no explanation was provided. Dredge writes:
You don't even understand that because we are related to cows and pigs, we have a common ancestor. Being related MEANS we have a common ancestor. You're agreeing with common descent in one sentence and disagreeing with it in the next sentence. You're contradicting yourself. Explain why "We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact" of UCD.
How can anybody explain anything to an idiot like you?
Dredge writes:
YOU explain why no creationist, no common-descent denier, has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
Explain why cow and pig insulin would not have been used in humans without the "fact" of UCD. Dredge writes:
Name twelve. Many biologists are creationists.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I answered. You didn't understand the answer.
you didn't answer my question. Dredge writes:
You won't find a scientific paper that says, "We only thought of it because the earth is round." What a pity you can't cite even one scientific paper that says "We only thought of it because ... we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs." Scientific papers don't work that way.
Dredge writes:
You're the only one here who is sad. And of course, you don't understand why you are sad. Sadly...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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