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ringo
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Message 1252 of 1429 (903299)
12-08-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Phat
12-07-2022 9:20 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Phat writes:
My point was that you can't believe in someone before they were born.
But you DO believe that Jesus existed before He was born.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1253 of 1429 (903300)
12-08-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1238 by Phat
12-07-2022 1:18 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
This superstition includes the hilarious belief that humans and potatoes, for example, evolved from the same organism.
Well, you have more potato in you than most of us.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 1254 of 1429 (903301)
12-08-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1242 by Phat
12-07-2022 1:32 PM


Re: Evilutionists vs Creotards
Phat writes:
My only beef with "scientists" is when they try and prove that Jesus never existed.
There is no need to "prove" that Jesus never existed, no more than there is a need to prove that leprechauns don't exist. Where there is no evidence, the default is that it didn't happen.
But you don't care about the truth of whether ot not Jesus existed. Your thinking is exactly like the creationists: cling to your superstitions despite all the evidence.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 1255 of 1429 (903302)
12-08-2022 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1247 by Dredge
12-07-2022 11:00 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
The Cambrian Explosion alone makes a mockery of the superstition of UCD.
Even your creationism is behind the times. The so-called "Cambrian explosion" has been explained six ways from Sunday.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 1267 of 1429 (903448)
12-10-2022 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1263 by Dredge
12-10-2022 9:33 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
This is a joke, right? No one could be this dumb.
Explain what is funny and/or dumb about what I said.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1269 of 1429 (903479)
12-11-2022 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1268 by Dredge
12-10-2022 11:37 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
You think me asking for a practical use for UCD in medical science or applied biology is the same as asking for evidence of UCD itself.
Of course it is. How are they different?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1275 of 1429 (903514)
12-12-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1270 by Dredge
12-11-2022 8:00 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I'm beginning to understand why you flunked Elementary school ...
As usual, you understand nothing. And you lie about things you can not possibly know.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1276 of 1429 (903516)
12-12-2022 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
... only a fool would trust what Darwinoids say...
You're a fool. Why don't you trust what Darwinists say?
Dredge writes:
What advancement in the treatment of disease has resulted from the "use" of the theory of UCD?
Cow and pig insulin.
Dredge writes:
UCD has no practical use in medical science...
Where did you get that idea anyway? From somebody else with an IQ of 9? You certainly didn't get it from anybody with any knowledge of medical science.
Dredge writes:
... only an idiot or a delusional Darwinoid would waste time on it.
You're a self-confessed idiot and you've wasted a lot of time on it in this thread.
Dredge writes:
... the only thing you "know" about UCD is that it's a theory.
And YOU don't understand what a theory is. Saying "only a theory" is like saying "only a trillion dollars". The word "only" doesn't really apply to something so vast.
Dredge writes:
I want to know if the theory of UCD has provided a practical advancement in medical science or applied biology ... I haven't encountered one yet.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I mentioned one: cow and pig insulin.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1301 of 1429 (903697)
12-15-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1282 by Dredge
12-14-2022 8:28 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
It doesn't make any difference to medicine what the "relatedness of all species" is due to, so the "due to common descent" part of your comment is superfluous and irrelevant.
I can't believe that you don't understand: "relatedness of all species" is exactly the same as common descent. If you concede that all species are related, then you HAVE to accept common descent. You DO, in fact, accept common descent.
Dredge writes:
You keep insisting that UCD is useful to medicine, but you can't cite even one example to support your claim.
Cow and pig insulin.
Dredge writes:
I've pointed out that glaring flaw to you many time...
And you've been wrong every time.
Dredge writes:
I'm sorry, APauling, but I've no choice but to conclude that you're a fool or you're mentally ill.
And we have no choice but to conclude that your self-admitted IQ of 9 in no way qualifies you to reach that conclusion.
Dredge writes:
Secondly, UCD is merely a theory - you can't prove that it's "reality".
1. "Merely a theory" - i.e. merely the most complete explanation we have - is a nonsensical statement.
2. Science doesn't attempt to "prove" anything.
3. You're demonstrating that you have no ability to learn anything.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1302 of 1429 (903698)
12-15-2022 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1299 by Phat
12-15-2022 9:21 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
Explain any advances in the field of medicine among the clergy and laymen of the RCC that successfully moved forward in our (human) "fight" against childhood diseases or cancer treatments that willfully avoided the mainstream consensus at oh I dunno...UCLA or the Mayo clinic?
I've asked him that question several times. He won't/can't answer it. He doesn't even dare to think about it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1313 of 1429 (903838)
12-17-2022 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1312 by Dredge
12-17-2022 5:42 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Routes for research that don't result in any practical advancement of medical science are meaningless ... and duh, useless.
Nonsense. Negative results are still useful. For example, we tried prayer and got nothing but negative results, so we learned not to waste any more time on it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1343 of 1429 (903945)
12-19-2022 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1315 by Dredge
12-17-2022 12:48 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Research based on the theory of UCD that results in no practical benefit means the theory of UCD is actually useful?
That's what I said.
I gave an example in the message you quoted: We tried prayer and got nothing but negative results, so we learned not to waste any more time on it.
Dredge writes:
A teaspoon is useful for playing golf bcoz we tried it and got only negative results?
Certainly. Knowing that a teaspoon is not useful in golf is useful knowledge.
By trying a teaspoon in golf, we learned not to waste any more time on it. If we all had your disdain for negative results, every golfer would be carrying a bag ful of teasppons.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1344 of 1429 (903946)
12-19-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1318 by dwise1
12-17-2022 1:12 PM


Re: UCD evidence
dwise1 writes:
... the local news and newspapers rarely covered more than local news, farm news...
A visitor to Saskatchewan once marveled that there are farm-chemical ads on TV in prime time.
dwise1 writes:
... and the weather....
The reason Canadians are so friendly is because we feel obligated to tell everybody we meet how cold it is.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1345 of 1429 (903949)
12-19-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1324 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:08 AM


Re: Stale Communion and amusing musings
Phat writes:
The issue is Dredge's intelligence. Surely he is an independent thinker, one would assume.
One - i.e. you - would be wrong. Dredge is a non-thinker. He even admits to being an idiot.
Phat writes:
I start out by assuming that anyone in this forum who stays around more than a month has basic intelligence.
Another wrong assumption. Intelligence can be defined in simplest terms as the ability to learn. Creationists do not have that.
Phat writes:
To be fair, I am still reading back through the topic, however.
Dredge said in Message 111, "my IQ is less than 10".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1346 of 1429 (903950)
12-19-2022 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1327 by Dredge
12-18-2022 12:18 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
... you can't expect a quick response from an idiot with an IQ of only 9.
You contradict yourself. You once called me "retarded" but I'm pretty quick on the draw.
(As Abraham Lincoln supposedly said, nobody has a good enough memory to be a good liar.)

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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