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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1306 of 1429 (903723)
12-15-2022 6:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1305 by Taq
12-15-2022 1:39 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Our knowledge of toll-like receptors came from applying UCD. Expected response:
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All that says is that UCD was useful in developing the vaccine. But it does not say that UCD was in any way useful in developing the vaccine.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: UCD evidence
wrongsmith writes: barking down the wrong tree.
I think you mean, "barking UP the wrong tree". No wonder they call you "wrongsmith" ... Never make that mistake again.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1308 of 1429 (903730)
12-15-2022 8:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 1307 by Dredge
12-15-2022 8:13 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
I think you mean, "barking UP the wrong tree". The sarcasm went in one ear and out the other without hitting anything in between. Typical.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1309 of 1429 (903734)
12-16-2022 1:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 1308 by AZPaul3
12-15-2022 8:56 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Sarcasm requires a degree of intelligence to create.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 1310 of 1429 (903736)
12-16-2022 3:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 1309 by Dredge
12-16-2022 1:25 AM
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Re: UCD evidence barking
Actually barking DOWN the tree is making use of the Tree of Life analogy, Dredge. To get back to the UCD, you would need to go DOWN the branches to the single trunk at the bottom in the usual typical diagram.
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 1311 of 1429 (903738)
12-16-2022 3:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 1304 by Dredge
12-15-2022 11:50 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge asks:
What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about the careful laboratory conditions and practices used in proper medical research. Surely you don't think they do the research in the back of some stationwagon or truck? With no knowledge of the RNA-DNA relatedness due to UCD, they might find something in 4000 years. But I don't have that kind of time to wait.
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1312 of 1429 (903828)
12-17-2022 5:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 1207 by Taq
12-06-2022 10:37 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: An "hypothesis" per se is just an idea floating around in someone's mind, not a practical use.
Taq writes: It is absolutely a practical use. Finding routes for research is a very, very practical application for any theory.
Routes for research that don't result in any practical advancement of medical science are meaningless ... and duh, useless.
Dredge writes: If the article you provided in Message 1109 describes a practical use in medical science or biology for the theory of UCD, what is it, exactly?
Taq writes: The practical use is in selecting animal models that will yield the best results in biomedical research.
The article did not present any evidence that the hypothesis discussed therein resulted in the best animal models being selected. All the article presents is theorectical pie-in-the-sky ... hardly a practical use of UCD. However I did find more evidence that supports my claim that, like most Darwinoids, you're a bs-artist and a con-man.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1313 of 1429 (903838)
12-17-2022 11:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 1312 by Dredge
12-17-2022 5:42 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: Routes for research that don't result in any practical advancement of medical science are meaningless ... and duh, useless.
Nonsense. Negative results are still useful. For example, we tried prayer and got nothing but negative results, so we learned not to waste any more time on it.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5949 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 1314 of 1429 (903844)
12-17-2022 11:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 1313 by ringo
12-17-2022 11:10 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
A quote that I keep coming back to:
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We know that ignorance doesn't work, because we've already tried it.
I heard that in an interview on NPR circa 1990. The then-governor of Mississippi used it in defending his push to improve education (the Mississippi school system usually ranks at the bottom) despite his state legislature's opposition. Oh! I just realized! I never knew before that Australia had been colonized by Mississippians!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1315 of 1429 (903851)
12-17-2022 12:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 1313 by ringo
12-17-2022 11:10 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
ringoat writes: Negative results are still useful.
Research based on the theory of UCD that results in no practical benefit means the theory of UCD is actually useful? A teaspoon is useful for playing golf bcoz we tried it and got only negative results?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1316 of 1429 (903852)
12-17-2022 12:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 1314 by dwise1
12-17-2022 11:38 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
dwise1 writes: I heard that in an interview on NPR circa 1990.
No, you did not. There were no interviews on NPR circa 1990.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 1317 of 1429 (903854)
12-17-2022 12:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 1306 by AZPaul3
12-15-2022 6:44 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
AZPaul3 beautifully forecasts Dredges reply:
All that says is that UCD was useful in developing the vaccine. But it does not say that UCD was in any way useful in developing the vaccine. Spot on! Suck on that, Dredge!
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5949 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 1318 of 1429 (903856)
12-17-2022 1:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 1316 by Dredge
12-17-2022 12:51 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Yet again you raise the question of whether negative IQ scores are possible by submitting for one yourself. It doesn't matter how loudly you squeal against reality, reality does still exist. And regardless of how fervently you creationists try to repeal reality, reality is not affected by you one bit. Reality does not care one whit whether you believe in it or not. So delude yourself all you want to. Reality will still bite you solidly in the ass every single time. Note about National Public Radio (NPR):
While serving internal exile in the cold part of North Dakota (what I would call my active duty assignment there), NPR became my primary source for world and national news (and for music, since the FM side played classical). We were rather isolated and I couldn't get any news from the outside because I always had duty when network news was on TV and the local news and newspapers rarely covered more than local news, farm news, and the weather ( everybody always made sure to catch the weather report, such that it was used as a joke in the book, How to Speak Minnesotan). Thus NPR became my primary source for news. I was impressed that NPR was covering the Soviet war in Afghanistan long before other US news sources even started to pay any attention to it. Then I learned later that for international news NPR made use of the BBC World Service.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: UCD evidence
Macquarie insult of week: drongo A drongo is a slow-witted or stupid person: a fool. This great Australian insult was originally an RAAF term for a raw recruit. It first appeared in the early 1940s, but its origin reaches back to the name of the racehorse Drongo, who ran around in the early 1920s. No Phar lap, Drongo was famed for its poor form, never winning a race, and was used as a character in the political cartoons of Sammy Wells that appeared in the Melbourne Herald. https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/...he%20early%201920s.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1320 of 1429 (903893)
12-18-2022 6:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 1306 by AZPaul3
12-15-2022 6:44 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
The problem with your comment is that you can't produce a scientific paper that says "UCD was useful in developing the vaccine". LOL!! What a clown.
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