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Author Topic:   The Fourth Turning:An American Prophecy
ringo
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Message 2 of 21 (903519)
12-12-2022 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
12-12-2022 3:51 AM


Phat writes:
... I have more mental focus and can better defend my biases...
It doesn't show in your posts.
And you shouldn't be defending your biases anyway. You should be trying to get rid of them.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 8 of 21 (903563)
12-13-2022 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
12-12-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
Are you telling me you don't favor one "side" or another?
As Theodoric pointed out, that's not the point. The point is that NOBODY should be prejudiced in favor of one side or another. EVERYBODY should do their utmost to eliminate their own prejudices and biases.
You talked in Message 1 about "defending" your biases, which NOBODY should EVER do.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 9 of 21 (903565)
12-13-2022 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
12-13-2022 1:45 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
And I never knowingly lie...
You SHOULD know. When somebody tells you something is a lie, you shouldn't just go on repeating it over and over and over again.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 14 of 21 (903691)
12-15-2022 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
12-13-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
It's rare when I allow other people to tell me hat is and is not a lie.
On more than one occasion I told Faith that it's worse to BE a racist than to be CALLED a racist. If somebody calls ME a racist, my reaction is to ask WHY they think I am a racist - and if there is anything to what they say, I try to overcome my racist tendencies.
The same applies to lies. If somebody accuses me of lying, I ask them to point out exactly what the lie was - and I try to correct their misunderstanding.
Phat writes:
As an example, you guys braying about lack of evidence for Jesus does *not* make my belief a lie.
I don't know if anybody ever called a belief a lie. Your belief is definitely wrong - and clinging to it despite the evidence is foolish.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 15 of 21 (903692)
12-15-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
12-15-2022 1:12 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
We are a nation of individuals, many of whom actually think for themselves...
But you aren't one of them. YouTube leads you around like a puppy-dog.
Phat writes:
Again, who is this mysterious "we"?
The mysterious "we" is those of us who DO think for ourselves, who CAN back up what we say and who DON'T come back time and time again with PRATTS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 17 of 21 (903700)
12-15-2022 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
12-15-2022 11:15 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
That's exactly what an elitist would say.
How is it elitist? You need to do better than just flining empty accusations around.
Phat writes:
You claim to *know* and claim that I don't know.
That claim is completely valid. You CAN NOT know something without evidence.
Phat writes:
Such hubris.
How is it hubris? You need to do better than just flining empty accusations around.
The hubris is yours, thinking you can "know" something in a complete absence of evidence.
Phat writes:
Im sure Jesus forgives you since He knows your heart...likely better than you do.
Your concern should be about whether He forgives YOU. But of course we're talking about your self-serving made up Jesus, so no doubt you've made up Him forgiving you.
Phat writes:
I would think that He is puzzled by your lame argument that gods are relative to the individual.
You should ask him to help you demonstrate that my argument is lame. You need to do better than just flining empty accusations around.
It's pretty damn obvious that YOUR made-ip God is entirely relative to YOU.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 21 of 21 (903835)
12-17-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
12-16-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
I will assert that I know some things through intuition.
And your assertion will be wrong. You can only believe through intuition.
Phat writes:
I don't need to wait until Joe Biden, Jerome Powell, the peanut gallery, Fox News, or the B.B.C. show me a report that something is real.
You really do.
Phat writes:
I won't place my intuition on a plane equivalent to objective evidence. I will trust my instincts, however.
Our instincts tell us that outsiders - e.g. black people - can be dangerous. The evidence tells us that we are more of a danger to them than they are to us.
Phat writes:
So far He has shown me little evidence.
If even God can't show you evidence, you should take the hint.
Phat writes:
The jury is still out on a few points of contention.
No. It really isn't. You just refuse to accept the verdict.
Like Trump. They've stopped counting. Get used to it.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
It's pretty damn obvious that YOUR made-up God is entirely relative to YOU.
Have you ever met Him?
Nobody has ever met your made-up god. Nobody has ever met Long John Silver or Tom Joad or the Wizard of Oz.
Phat writes:
Or have you only met me?
I know you by your fruits.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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