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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2521 of 2932 (903540)
12-12-2022 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2520 by vimesey
12-12-2022 3:45 PM


vimesey:
Actually, scratch that. So you are saying that hundreds of thousands of evidence backed biologists are capable of being wrong, but you're not ?
They certainly haven't explained how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They are really slow at understanding the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. Why don't they explain how reptiles evolve feathers to grow in the right place, what was the selection pressure for that to happen? And how did bacteria evolve the Krebs cycle, or the DNA replicase system, or the electron transport system, or the ability to transport specific materials in and out of the cell,... They aren't scientists, they are story fabricators. Just give them a billion years and anything can happen. They need to learn how biological evolution actually works, not some fantasy. You are witnessing a folie à plusieurs.

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vimesey
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Message 2522 of 2932 (903541)
12-12-2022 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2521 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 4:16 PM


Once again - are you capable of being wrong ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Message 2523 of 2932 (903543)
12-12-2022 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2522 by vimesey
12-12-2022 4:20 PM


vimesey:
Once again - are you capable of being wrong ?
Decide for yourself. The physics and mathematics of biological evolution and how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail is published open access. You don't need me to make that decision. What I do know is biologists are capable of being wrong, reptiles don't evolve into birds and fish don't evolve into mammals.

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vimesey
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Message 2524 of 2932 (903544)
12-12-2022 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2523 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 4:49 PM


Everybody is capable of being wrong.
Do you deny that you are capable of being wrong ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Message 2525 of 2932 (903545)
12-12-2022 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2524 by vimesey
12-12-2022 5:15 PM


vimesey:
Everybody is capable of being wrong.

Do you deny that you are capable of being wrong ?
We can see that you have run out of any valid arguments.

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vimesey
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Message 2526 of 2932 (903550)
12-13-2022 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2525 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 5:19 PM


Right - had a good sleep and back on track.
Let's crack on.
Are you capable of being wrong ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Phat
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Message 2527 of 2932 (903552)
12-13-2022 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2526 by vimesey
12-13-2022 12:49 AM


vimesey, addressing Kleinman writes:
Are you capable of being wrong ?
I know I am. Im quite sure I would never make a good creationist since I dont understand the science,physics,and chemistry behind it.

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Kleinman
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Message 2528 of 2932 (903553)
12-13-2022 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 2526 by vimesey
12-13-2022 12:49 AM


vimesey:
Right - had a good sleep and back on track.

Let's crack on.

Are you capable of being wrong ?
Your sleep didn't give you any good arguments for UCD. Do you understand why the doctors are monitoring Alyssa? It's possible their treatment didn't kill all the cancer cells. They might not know for several years unless the reproductive time for the cancer cells is rapid.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2529 of 2932 (903554)
12-13-2022 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2527 by Phat
12-13-2022 1:58 AM


addressing Kleinman:
Are you capable of being wrong ?
Phat:
I know I am. Im quite sure I would never make a good creationist since I dont understand the science,physics,and chemistry behind it.

vimesey says he is wrong but he never says what he is wrong about. And when have you heard a biologist say they are wrong about anything? They never say they are wrong about the thermodynamics, they say they just don't understand it but they are working on it. And biologists don't say they are wrong about the mathematics of descent with modification despite what their own experiments show them. They just need to perform more experiments. For years, they claimed that the multiplication rule does not apply to biological evolution and some still do, but the multiplication rule dominates biological evolution. That's why 3 drug therapy works for the treatment of HIV and combination selection pressures work for weeds and insect control. Biologists are so wrong but they never admit it, they just wait long enough for their errors to disappear but it doesn't work so well for people suffering from drug-resistant infections or failed cancer treatments. They insist that UCD is true but they can't explain how drug resistance evolves or cancer treatments fail. Biologists have not demonstrated that they understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.

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vimesey
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Message 2530 of 2932 (903556)
12-13-2022 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 2528 by Kleinman
12-13-2022 7:44 AM


As ever with you, it's dodging the question.
All humans are capable of being wrong. Are you incapable of being wrong ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2531 of 2932 (903557)
12-13-2022 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2530 by vimesey
12-13-2022 8:32 AM


vimesey:
As ever with you, it's dodging the question.

All humans are capable of being wrong. Are you incapable of being wrong ?
vimesey will now preach a sermon on Romans 3:23 since he can't explain biological evolution.

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Message 2532 of 2932 (903559)
12-13-2022 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2527 by Phat
12-13-2022 1:58 AM


Im quite sure I would never make a good creationist since I dont understand the science,physics,and chemistry behind it.
Neither do the creationists, so you would fit right in.
In order to be a "good" creationist, all you need do is to deny reality, pontification on things, both scientific and not, that you both know nothing about and misrepresent grossly, lie, lie, lie, and above all refuse to answer any direct questions (especially any requests for you to explain just what the hell you're talking about) in various manners (but most commonly by "responding" with demands for non-trivial answers, insisting that you absolutely want that answer, and then ignoring the answer when you receive it -- or just simply hurl empty insults -- , all for the sole purpose of deflecting and diverting).
As we all can observe objectively, that is what Kleinmen has been doing in order to generate over 1500 garbage messages, troll droppings.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2533 of 2932 (903560)
12-13-2022 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2532 by dwise1
12-13-2022 9:59 AM


Phat:
Im quite sure I would never make a good creationist since I dont understand the science,physics,and chemistry behind it.
dwise1:
Neither do the creationists, so you would fit right in.

The not-so-wise1 will now explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Of course, he won't.

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vimesey
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Message 2534 of 2932 (903561)
12-13-2022 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2531 by Kleinman
12-13-2022 8:40 AM


Ah the fragile ego of a man who cannot admit that he could be wrong.
I could be wrong - along with hundreds of thousands of scientists and museums, storerooms and universities stuffed full of evidence.
As a mathematician Kleinman, can you work out the probability of hundreds of thousands of highly intelligent scientists and mountains of evidence being wrong, and just you being right in incorrectly applying the mathematical model from scenario A to a different scenario B ? Feel free to show us the maths.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2535 of 2932 (903562)
12-13-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2534 by vimesey
12-13-2022 10:23 AM


vimesey:
Ah the fragile ego of a man who cannot admit that he could be wrong.

I could be wrong - along with hundreds of thousands of scientists and museums, storerooms and universities stuffed full of evidence.

As a mathematician Kleinman, can you work out the probability of hundreds of thousands of highly intelligent scientists and mountains of evidence being wrong, and just you being right in incorrectly applying the mathematical model from scenario A to a different scenario B ? Feel free to show us the maths.
vimesey won't tell us which one of those hundreds of thousands of highly intelligent scientists can explain to us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Maybe they need a whole mountain range of evidence? Or perhaps they let ringo do the mathematical model from scenario A to a different scenario B? With that kind of mathematical talent, the only conclusion you can come to is reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.

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