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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:They certainly haven't explained how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They are really slow at understanding the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. Why don't they explain how reptiles evolve feathers to grow in the right place, what was the selection pressure for that to happen? And how did bacteria evolve the Krebs cycle, or the DNA replicase system, or the electron transport system, or the ability to transport specific materials in and out of the cell,... They aren't scientists, they are story fabricators. Just give them a billion years and anything can happen. They need to learn how biological evolution actually works, not some fantasy. You are witnessing a folie à plusieurs.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Once again - are you capable of being wrong ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:Decide for yourself. The physics and mathematics of biological evolution and how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail is published open access. You don't need me to make that decision. What I do know is biologists are capable of being wrong, reptiles don't evolve into birds and fish don't evolve into mammals.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Everybody is capable of being wrong.
Do you deny that you are capable of being wrong ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:We can see that you have run out of any valid arguments.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Right - had a good sleep and back on track.
Let's crack on. Are you capable of being wrong ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18333 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
vimesey, addressing Kleinman writes: Are you capable of being wrong ? I know I am. Im quite sure I would never make a good creationist since I dont understand the science,physics,and chemistry behind it.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:Your sleep didn't give you any good arguments for UCD. Do you understand why the doctors are monitoring Alyssa? It's possible their treatment didn't kill all the cancer cells. They might not know for several years unless the reproductive time for the cancer cells is rapid.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
addressing Kleinman:vimesey says he is wrong but he never says what he is wrong about. And when have you heard a biologist say they are wrong about anything? They never say they are wrong about the thermodynamics, they say they just don't understand it but they are working on it. And biologists don't say they are wrong about the mathematics of descent with modification despite what their own experiments show them. They just need to perform more experiments. For years, they claimed that the multiplication rule does not apply to biological evolution and some still do, but the multiplication rule dominates biological evolution. That's why 3 drug therapy works for the treatment of HIV and combination selection pressures work for weeds and insect control. Biologists are so wrong but they never admit it, they just wait long enough for their errors to disappear but it doesn't work so well for people suffering from drug-resistant infections or failed cancer treatments. They insist that UCD is true but they can't explain how drug resistance evolves or cancer treatments fail. Biologists have not demonstrated that they understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
As ever with you, it's dodging the question.
All humans are capable of being wrong. Are you incapable of being wrong ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:vimesey will now preach a sermon on Romans 3:23 since he can't explain biological evolution.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Im quite sure I would never make a good creationist since I dont understand the science,physics,and chemistry behind it. Neither do the creationists, so you would fit right in. In order to be a "good" creationist, all you need do is to deny reality, pontification on things, both scientific and not, that you both know nothing about and misrepresent grossly, lie, lie, lie, and above all refuse to answer any direct questions (especially any requests for you to explain just what the hell you're talking about) in various manners (but most commonly by "responding" with demands for non-trivial answers, insisting that you absolutely want that answer, and then ignoring the answer when you receive it -- or just simply hurl empty insults -- , all for the sole purpose of deflecting and diverting). As we all can observe objectively, that is what Kleinmen has been doing in order to generate over 1500 garbage messages, troll droppings.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Phat:The not-so-wise1 will now explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Of course, he won't.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Ah the fragile ego of a man who cannot admit that he could be wrong.
I could be wrong - along with hundreds of thousands of scientists and museums, storerooms and universities stuffed full of evidence. As a mathematician Kleinman, can you work out the probability of hundreds of thousands of highly intelligent scientists and mountains of evidence being wrong, and just you being right in incorrectly applying the mathematical model from scenario A to a different scenario B ? Feel free to show us the maths.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:vimesey won't tell us which one of those hundreds of thousands of highly intelligent scientists can explain to us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Maybe they need a whole mountain range of evidence? Or perhaps they let ringo do the mathematical model from scenario A to a different scenario B? With that kind of mathematical talent, the only conclusion you can come to is reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
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