Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Nowhere in any physics course did they teach what you are claiming. Are you arguing that multidrug resistance never occurs in HIV? But people are successfully treated with antibiotics, so by your logic that means resistance never evolves. Now you are trying to change the subject to hide your ignorance.You actually think that sexual reproduction eliminates competition. That's what you said. This means that there is no competition in the hundreds of thousands of vertebrate species that sexually reproduce, according to your absurd claims. Apparently, you don't know.

All you have to do is figure out how genetics works in sexual reproduction.

Again, you show no error in what I have said.

Kleinman:

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All this reveals is how little you learned about thermodynamics in your survey of physics course.

Taq:

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Nowhere in any physics course did they teach what you are claiming.

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Just goes to show you what you learn in a biology program. No wonder you can't explain how biological evolution works.

Kleinman:

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So you are arguing that combination therapy doesn't work for the treatment of HIV, weeds, and insects.

Taq:

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Are you arguing that multidrug resistance never occurs in HIV?

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Not at all, descent with modification (and recombination) are stochastic processes. When I say it takes 1/(mutation rate) replications for an adaptive mutation to occur (in a single selection pressure environment), I'm giving the mean value of the binomial distribution for the adaptive mutation to occur. But this is a stochastic process and the adaptive mutation may occur in a single replication. The probability of that happening is very low but when you have tens of millions of people with HIV, that may happen on rare occasions. Your problem is that you want to make a rule based on these exceptional cases. That adaptive mutation might never occur. This is why you are misled by a single case where they suspect that recombination caused treatment failure. You do not understand the fundamental principles of probability calculations.

Kleinman:

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Have you ever treated a patient with single drug therapy that works only to find out a few days later when the bacterial cultures come back showing drug resistance? That's because the person has a functioning immune system and the lab test doesn't consider that in their testing. The drug is not being used in a single selection pressure environment in this case for the patient, it is being tested in a single selection pressure environment.

Taq:

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But people are successfully treated with antibiotics, so by your logic that means resistance never evolves.

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Once again you are confused by what I said and you demonstrate your ignorance of medicine. People that are immune incompetent are much more likely to get a resistant infection. And you do not understand what is happening in the medical system. People like you argue that primary care providers use too many antibiotics, yet pneumonia and sepsis are two of the most common reasons for hospital admission.
Most Frequent Principal Diagnoses for Inpatient Stays in U.S. Hospitals, 2018 #277
Almost 1/4 of the cost of all hospitalizations is for septicemia. Many of these cases could have been prevented if antibiotics were not delayed as an outpatient.

Kleinman:

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Ok brainiac, how does Desai define fixation for his sexual replicators?

Taq:

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Now you are trying to change the subject to hide your ignorance.
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You actually think that sexual reproduction eliminates competition. That's what you said. This means that there is no competition in the hundreds of thousands of vertebrate species that sexually reproduce, according to your absurd claims.

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You keep using the term fixation and you (and Desai) use that term improperly.
Phenotypic and molecular evolution across 10,000 generations in laboratory budding yeast populations
You don't even know the definition of the terms you use.

Kleinman:

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How do multiple alleles move to fixation?

Taq:

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Apparently, you don't know.

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They don't, you dummy.

Kleinman:

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All you have to do is figure out the probabilities for two or more selection pressures.

Taq:

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All you have to do is figure out how genetics works in sexual reproduction.

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Nobody is going to learn that from you. You still haven't learned basic thermodynamics and introductory probability theory. In your weird imagination, you think that adaptive alleles always recombine to cause HIV treatment to fail based on a single case amongst millions. It shows you just how much you need to study introductory probability theory.

AZPaul3:

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Again, you show no error in what I have said.

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If you want to believe you are related to monkeys, it's ok with me. You remind me of Bonzo.

Again, You do not deny your papers are bogus, presenting false conclusions, rejected by the scientific community.

You're flailing because you refuse to look at those links.

AZPaul3:

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Again, You do not deny your papers are bogus, presenting false conclusions, rejected by the scientific community.

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The math and physics are correct and they haven't been rejected by the scientific community (the scientists that want to know how bacterial resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail). Your bubble has burst.

Kleinman:

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Yeah, right, I'm flailing because you don't post any links that explain...

ringo:

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You're flailing because you refuse to look at those links.

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ringo thinks I'm flailing because I won't look at his imaginary links.

Bonzo? You mean that old movie with Reagan in it?

Bullshit.As you have stated in this thread multiple times, that does not include any biologist or geneticist of the modern discipline who are all too stupid to understand Desai, Kishony, Lenski, thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, math and the world according to Kleinman.You have already acknowledged the discipline does not understand you. They are all oh-so-wrong about how biology and genetics really works. Only you know how it all works. And after paying to have your papers published your great revelations have been promptly ignored by everyone.I wouldn't say that's a ringing endorsement of your views by the science community, would you?As for your math and physics ... you left a trail across three forums with lots of folks showing the errors in your screeds. And as you have done here with Taq and PaulK's corrections, you just ignore them all.Kleinman, you are not some scientist trying to find reality. You want to kill evolution and replace it with your fantasy. You are a priest standing in the temple door preaching to anyone passing by trying to lie your god back into his lost role in Genesis.Kleinman, you are a fraud.

And in the meantime, whilst Kleinman tries to peddle his religiously motivated garbage, actual scientists who actually understand how genetics work, have successfully cured a previously incurable cancer: More evidence (as if any more were needed) as to whom to trust.

Phat:

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Bonzo? You mean that old movie with Reagan in it?

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Sure, there are posters that claim they are related! Just not to Reagan.

Kleinman:

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The math and physics are correct and they haven't been rejected by the scientific community (the scientists that want to know how bacterial resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail).

AZPaul3:

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Bullshit.

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Watchout everyone, Bonzo is getting ready to throw.