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Message 772 of 860 (878476)
06-30-2020 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 767 by GDR
06-30-2020 2:21 PM


GDR writes:
There does seem to be an attitude of some of the non-theists around here, that theistic views are ridiculous and that those that hold them are themselves ______. (fill in the blank with any number of insulting or patronizing adjectives).
Yes, it gets like that sometimes. I can only apologise when (not if) I've done that to you. As far as I'm concerned, you're the acceptable face of Christianity, despite your ______.
The trouble is we're surrounded by nutters, wackos, delusional idiots and crackpots - loads of them think they know stuff that Nobel Laureates would be made from. Just at the moment we have a guy here that thinks he can prove mathematically that evolution is impossible and another with no training at all in the subject is writing a book on cosmology and telling real physicists that they're wrong. A catholic can't even accept documented statements about his faith verifiable from the Vatican. Phat gets crazier every day and Faith, well come on...
The one thing they have in common is an irrational belief so they try to make science's discoveries fit their belief - or try to discredit them if they can't.
And all believers are incapable of skepticism. All of them, even you, the best of 'em. You can't tolerate evidence that seems to contradict a belief. Those of us interested in establishing facts find that intolerable. One-way thinking is simply not allowed in rational discussion.
Just as a single tiny example. It's a fact, a simple fact, that the bible is written by anonymous authors. The authors did not put their names on their work. But time and again you ignore that as though it does not matter. It really does. And time and again you put the best possible spin on the evidence. It's not necessary and it's not good practice and it drives us mad. it makes fair argument impossible.
Anyway, it gets to us, sorry.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 779 of 860 (878490)
06-30-2020 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 775 by GDR
06-30-2020 4:19 PM


GDR writes:
They are their beliefs just as you and I believe they are wrong.
This is the maddening thing. There is no equivalence between their wacko beliefs and the discoveries of science. They are just wrong. And that's the end of it. To allow them the idea that that it's ok to believe something that is factually wrong is not ever going to be accepted as ok.
I think that science should inform our theological beliefs.
I'm glad that it actually does - in that it's wiping out the worst excesses of religious belief and moderating it. But really, science and religion have no point of contact - all it can tell you about your beliefs are that they're wrong.
My theology does not inform the little I know about science.
I regard you as the exception. But in fact theology can't inform science. It has absolutely nothing to contribute.
Well, Paul actually did say this is Paul writing this, but the thread in question is about the authorship of the Gospels. I read a very large book on the subject written by a Cambridge professor and scholar, and as a historian and theologian, who has spent his life researching this stuff in their original languages. He has gone through all of the ancient writings that we still have to help form his conclusions.
No, I have said it many times and it's not arguable. Your professor would agree - the stories are not attributed. We can make educated guess but that's all.
It is very difficult to have a discussion if it is decided at the outset that he really doesn't have anything of worth to say.
The point is that there are many conflicting positions on this. It's an area of very divided opinion with not enough actual evidence to support any position - no matter how eminent. To take one side is ludicrous, to point out difficulties with particular positions is necessary.
What it leaves is massive areas of doubt. Nothing remotely enough to make life choices on. Scepticism is the only valid position.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 796 of 860 (890828)
01-10-2022 7:05 PM


Delete the cheers, it's infantile and narcissistic.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 804 of 860 (890895)
01-11-2022 1:23 PM


Alas, these days, no trolls, no forum

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 813 of 860 (891570)
02-03-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 812 by xongsmith
02-03-2022 1:02 PM


Re: Avatar wont update
Yeh, I get that. Apparently the original is still in your browser - others see the new image straight away. If you view from a machine/browser that hasn't been used for EVC you'll probably see it. Either that or clear your browser - nuclear option.
If you do nothing you'll see it suddenly appear in a week or so.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 826 of 860 (903030)
11-30-2022 5:17 PM


The answer is to stop feeding them. I don't understand why you guys continue to reply, they'll keep talking crap for as long as you keep talking to them.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 830 of 860 (904786)
01-07-2023 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 829 by ringo
01-07-2023 11:25 AM


ringo writes:
To hone our arguments, even if it's only honing how to swat a mosquito.
Not anymore, you've used the same argument hundreds of times - in a single thread - with these nutjobs. Now it's just a sport for you.
... they'll keep talking crap for as long as you keep talking to them.
No, they always run away eventually.
Maybe they will eventually. But eventually can be a bloody long time with some of these loonies. There's nothing but name calling going on in the threads we're complaining about.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 832 of 860 (904797)
01-07-2023 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 831 by ringo
01-07-2023 12:16 PM


ringo writes:
The sport is thinking of new ways to express it hundreds of times.
Well at least you're enjoying yourself, but I can tell you, it ain't much of a spectator sport.
It's the same sport as I'm playing with YOU right now.
Figures. Anyway, I'm out. Probably.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 834 of 860 (904839)
01-08-2023 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 833 by ringo
01-08-2023 1:13 PM


ringo writes:
The little greenn dots disagree with you.
I'm beating you on this page 4 to 2. And your 2 is Phat. Just sayin'
Not that I'm counting. Or replying.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 836 of 860 (904846)
01-09-2023 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 835 by dwise1
01-08-2023 6:34 PM


Oh come on dwise1, what's happening on a couple of these fora stopped being the rebuttals of bad argument hundreds of posts ago, now it's just bear-baiting and name calling.
There's no-one but us here now to see it and there's no greater purpose involved in mocking people who are obviously either ill, stupid or just trolling. When this site was actually active, this behaviour would have been stopped within a few posts, now it continues because that's all we have.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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