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candle2 writes: Nwr, you are the perfect example of what I was talkingabout. You call castrating young boys good; when in fact it is pure evil. Making such serious accusations when they are clearly not true cements your credibility into the "crazy" bucket. You really shouldn't do such things, it's not right. But it's more likely you'll just try again on your next victim, I suppose.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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You call castrating young boys good; when in fact it is pure evil. That's a false accusation. You are violating your commandment about bearing false witness.
All of the things that I mentioned about the Liberal party is true. There's no such thing as "the Liberal party" in the USA. I am not a member of any political party. I prefer to remain independent. There are also some decent conservatives whom I can respect. But the Republican party in the USA has become very evil. I grew up as a Christian, but came to doubt some of the core beliefs. But the real reason that I left Christianity, was because the church was so hopelessly unchristian. Sorry to say it, but you are one of those who are unchristian. You spread false information, and you make false accusations. Jesus said "By their fruits ye shall know them." And that's why I see you as unchristian.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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That's a false accusation. You are violating your commandment about bearing false witness. You forget that candle2 has turned his back on the Christian god and now worships the Orange Calf. That means that he now follows Trump's Commandments (this list from Commentary: On Whining And Winning, Donald Trump's Ten Commandments):
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Stile, where have you been living? The moon.
To not know this is going on makes you look ignorant of important facts. I am seriously amazed that you don't know this. I don't know where you get your news, but you need tobroaden your choices.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Theodoric, believing that chemicals created life
without the slightest bit of proof casts too much doubt on your ability to reason with any degree of certainty.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
candle2, replying to Stile writes: Its one thing to say that an aberrant practice occurred at some time within a given group. Its entirely another thing to label a group as representative of the behavior of one or more members and accuse that group of repeatedly engaging, supporting, or promoting such behavior or action. And I'm guessing that much of your news comes from Fox. They often repeat innuendo and sensationalize actions. To not know this is going on makes you look ignorantof important facts. To be fair (politically) I will agree that there are similarities within human behavior between the ideology of the Left and the ideology of the Right. It seems that the media has a bias, but I will agree that we all need to examine several news sources in order to get a better picture of what the "real story" is on any given event.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Well as we have evidence that chemicals interact without any outside influence, we have proof if concept. We have absolutely no evidence for some sort of ethereal, sky daddy.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, nothing is more important than protecting the
weak and helpless among us. It is the Democratic Party that pushes all of theseabhorrent practices. You cannot deny this. I could not vote for a Republican candidate who supportedthese views. I am not hating on anyone. I am just flabagasted thatAmerica has lost its moral values. Phat, I mentioned on another post that the Church I ama member of knew after WW2 that East and West Germany would be reunited. Even when the Berlin Wall was standing tall we knewthat Germany would be reunited. We knew that Britain would get out of the EuropeanUnion. We were able to understand who exactly Israel is,especially the two brother tribes that Jacob (Israel) specifically gave his name to. Genesis 48. The two brothers received the birthright blessings.Judah (Jews) received the promise that the Messiah would come through them. Genesis 49 and Deuteronomy 33 announces the latterday blessing of each tribe. Ephraim and Manasseh are listed under Joseph. Understand that all tribes are Israelites, but not alltribes are Jews. It would take me days just to write out all that theBible says about The House of Judah and the House of Israel. As well as trace them to their present dwellings. The most important book that I recommend that you readis Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright by J.H. Allen. The book proves where the 12 tribes (13 since each ofJoseph's sons became a tribe) migrated to. It traces them from Egypt to their allotted lands in the Middle East, to their present locations. I am from the tribe of Manasseh. My ancestors migratedTo America from Scotland. Many of America's forefathers we're from Scotland or the UK (Ephraim). The Bible lays out a very dark ending for all Israelites,especially the English speaking Israelites. It is because we turn our backs on Him and His ways. At one time America and GB were a blessing to the world.We gave a degree of stability to the world. But, we have become corrupted. One can buy the book or get it pdf. Another option is toCheck it out at the library. They might have to borrow it from another library for you. The only drawback to this is two weeks is all you getwith it. I challenge you to read the book and then tell me thatAmerica is not in serious trouble.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
candle writes: Who do you define as the weak and helpless? Be more specific.
Phat, nothing is more important than protecting theweak and helpless among us. candle writes: Which abhorrent practices are unique to Democrats? My Bible always told me that none were righteous. Jesus died for all. Whosoever(who so chooses) to believe, receive, and remain in Communion with said Holy Spirit will be saved. Right? So how are Democrats any less human than Republicans?
It is the Democratic Party that pushes all of these abhorrent practices. You cannot deny this. I am not hating on anyone. I am just flabbergasted that America has lost its moral values. In my mind, we(the people) have changed. We lost a few and we gained a few. This is also not a party-specific (ideological) issue except in regard to my belief that people question and challenge authority (which authority, BTW?) more than they used to. And this is both a good and bad thing.
Phat, I mentioned on another post that the Church I am That's great, but did your specific church get a heavenly memo that other churches didn't receive? a member of knew after WW2 that East and West Germany would be reunited. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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candle2 writes: Phat, I mentioned on another post that the Church I ama member of knew after WW2 that East and West Germany would be reunited. Phat writes: That's great, but did your specific church get a heavenly memo that other churches didn't receive? Wait! That's the wrong question, Phat. Ask him how the Ukraine war ends? And the lotto numbers?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
candle2 writes: This is an interesting statement. I have a friend who knows his Bible up and down and is a believer. (He is dying of cancer, BTW..keep him in prayer...his name is Mike) and I will ask him about this. He knows more than a lot of Pastors,)
Understand that all tribes are Israelites, but not alltribes are Jews. It would take me days just to write out all that the Again, I will ask a few of the Pastors whom I know. My own Pastor, Ed Taylor teaches some fairly in-depth Bible studies. I might ask him if he has ever heard of that book and/or what he thinks about the premises. Bible says about The House of Judah and the House of Israel. As well as trace them to their present dwellings. I suppose that Geneology qualifies as a science. It certainly is based on historical records, but that would be quite a chore to trace the 12 tribes! I hope that your church isn't overly political. Ed sticks to the Bible and though he does believe we are in the latter days of humanity, he never mentions Democrats or Liberals. I don't trust churches that mix politics with religion.
The most important book that I recommend that you read I'm checking the varied opinions of the internet regarding this book, just like Theodoric does to my sources for stuff. (goes to do a preliminary check)...wow...originally published 1902. This is an old school author! ... is Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright by J.H. Allen. Wiki writes: I never knew that Episcopalians and Methodists had anything in common. jar attended an Episcopalian church and was educated in a Christian school that I believe may have also been Episcopalian. I'll check later, but as you know jar was more of a logic, reason, and reality critical thinker and a self-proclaimed "Creedal Cradle Christian." He never let his personal beliefs get in the way of his scientific conclusions. He and I disagreed often, but I respected his criticism to a degree. John Harden Allen (1847 – May 14, 1930)[1]: 20 was an American minister associated with the Church of God (Holiness), and British Israelism. He came from Illinois, later moving to Missouri in 1879. Originally a pastor in the Methodist Episcopal Church, he later became a pastor in the Wesleyan Methodist Church in California. He was one of the co-founders of the Church of God (Holiness) in 1883.[2] He "evangelized throughout the West and eventually moved to Pasadena, California, where he died". Now that jar is on sabbatical, the peanut gallery here at EvC has taken up his cause. Ringo is the chief critic assigned to me and keeps me on my toes in matters of expressing myself, always keeping facts, beliefs, evidence, and fantasy separated. He and most of the peanut gallery are non-believers. I wonder why that is?(The E Word! ) Candle2 writes: Are you by chance a member of The Church of God(Holiness)? My ancestors are from Wales. That's as far back as I know. I am from the tribe of Manasseh. My ancestors migratedTo America from Scotland. Many of America's forefathers we are from Scotland or the UK (Ephraim). Which "Tribe" might they be from? We do know that not all of Scotland or Wales was populated exclusively by the 12 tribes, right? The Bible lays out a very dark ending for all Israelites, What's with this idea that *we* (you and I) are English-speaking Israelites?
especially the English-speaking Israelites. It is because we turn our backs on Him and His ways. At one time America and GB were a blessing to the world. According to Ray Dalio America and Britain were both pluralistic nations that represented two of the four "Empires" that he discusses in his book. Any dominant Empire "gives a degree of stability" to the world chiefly because no one wants to attack it.We gave a degree of stability to the world. But, we have become corrupted. We are now in transition between a declining American Empire and an Ascending Chinese one. I'm sure you have some comments on that! I have another book (actually two) on China and the war that they are in with the declining "Empire". They are both audiobooks that I have on Alexa. Now that Jeff Bezos and Amazon have dropped Alexa as a future project, I hope that the device keeps working. FYI these two books are by a retired General (likely conservative) who is nonetheless quite knowledgeable about China. We can discuss them at the Book Nook. I'm in the process of elaborating on my book from Dalio, Principles for dealing with The Changing World Order but I will start a new Book Nook topic on the two books about China. I suppose you could start a topic there too...about your book from Allen. Edited by Phat, : added new subtitle Edited by Phat, : minor corrections The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oops. I realized now that GDR couldnt reply, so I fixed it.
Edited by Phat, . The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Now let's poke Tangle. He may be off fishing and does not want to be bothered, however. I'll see.
Tangle in 2016 writes: Two "E"words come to mind.
You have it the wrong way round, the difficult thing to swallow is that we're just another animal with a short and fixed lifespan and that this is all there is for us. We have to make the most of what we have now. In other words, we have to grow up and put aside childish beliefs.(...)And we know why that is, it's because we are an evolved ape with all the base instincts of territorialism, competition, carnivourness, and survival that you believe your god inflicted on the world. What you actually have to explain is not all this biblical nonsense but why, having made us this way, he then commands us to be different. Evolution and Enlightenment. In this context, evolution simply means human improvements throughout time. You guys have gone so far as to throw God away. The origin of that began with the Age of Enlightenment quote: My idea of "enlightenment, however, is that moment when one senses a connection emotionally with the Creator of all seen and unseen. As my blood sugars are dropping, i find myself able to write and express myself as I used to do. To me, the idea of a Trinity in no way implies polytheism. Christianity is and was expressed through Christ.GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen (and the God of infinite multiverses, should they exist) is simply "the Father" to Jesus. The Holy Spirit is the comforter...the eternal presence (and awareness of this presence) When He was said to proclaim that "I and My Father are One, He was implying that as a human, He fully understood and personified God's character. Of course, other religions may disagree, but among diversity, there can be unity. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes:
In this context, evolution simply means human improvements throughout time. Nonsense.
You guys have gone so far as to throw God away. Also nonsense Age of Enlightenment More nonsense
My idea of "enlightenment, however, is that moment when one senses a connection emotionally with the Creator of all seen and unseen. As my blood sugars are dropping, i find myself able to write and express myself as I used to do. Yeh, well that's not necessarily a good thing. To me, the idea of a Trinity in no way implies polytheism. As no one has ever made any kind of sense of the Trinity who cares? Christianity is and was expressed through Christ. GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen (and the God of infinite multiverses, should they exist) is simply "the Father" to Jesus. The Holy Spirit is the comforter...the eternal presence (and awareness of this presence) When He was said to proclaim that "I and My Father are One, He was implying that as a human, He fully understood and personified God's character. Of course, other religions may disagree, but among diversity, there can be unity. CantJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You have devolved to spewing word salad. Again, or maybe I should say still.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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