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ringo
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Message 916 of 1864 (902664)
11-26-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 913 by candle2
11-25-2022 1:10 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
candle2 writes:
Ringo, if someone does not believe that the Exodus
happened then they should just say so.
I did say so, in Message 823.
candle2 writes:
I was not debating whether the Exodus happened. I was
debating where it happened.
If it didn't happen, it didn't happen anywhere.
candle2 writes:
However, there is evidence that it did happen.
There really isn't. Ron Wyatt's "evidence" is fraudulent at worst and wishful thinking at best.. And any evidence that does exist does not point directly at the Exodus. (Just like evidence of A flood is not evidence of THE Flood.)
candle2 writes:
Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe that
that the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach.
That's hard to believe, since hardly anybody else considers the Nuweiba site plausible.
candle2 writes:
NASA's report of the "thin red line"...
Have you posted a link to that report yet? In any case, I could post a link to Dr. Seusss' report on talking cats. Doesn't make it true.
candle2 writes:
... in the early 90's...
I've been looking at this stuff since th 60's. I'll wait for you to catch up.
candle2 writes:
NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleted
a portion of the story. They also deleted the images of
the "thin red line."
Yeah. Thought so. Convenient, ain't it? That's the typical conspiracy-theorist line.
And a lot of Ron Wyatt's "evidence" conveniently "went missing" when he submitted it for scientific testing. Fell behind some professor's filing cabinet, no doubt.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 917 of 1864 (902680)
11-26-2022 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 811 by dwise1
11-04-2022 8:00 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Noted.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Message 918 of 1864 (902681)
11-26-2022 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 810 by dwise1
11-04-2022 5:29 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
We could use a new conservative party. I always liked conservatives such as Eisenhower .

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Theodoric
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Message 919 of 1864 (902685)
11-26-2022 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 918 by Phat
11-26-2022 4:13 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
You don't even understand what conservatism is. You are a reactionary not a conservative.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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candle2
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Message 920 of 1864 (902983)
11-29-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Phat
11-25-2022 2:00 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Phat, sorry to take so long to reply, but I have committed
to another voluntary situation at the local animal shelter.
It breaks my heart to see all the unwanted animals. I already
Have eight cats and three dogs.
By political correctness (in this situation), I refer to NASA
distancing itself from anything religious.
The episode I viewed was (I believe) on the Discovery
Channel. It was not long after the Gulf War ended.
The thin red line was clearly discernable.

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Message 921 of 1864 (902984)
11-29-2022 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by candle2
11-29-2022 12:08 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
The thin red line was clearly discernable.
It was fake. Drawn in by hand by the perpetrators of this hoax.
You cannot show otherwise. And NASA has no part in any of your fatasy.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 922 of 1864 (902986)
11-29-2022 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 919 by Theodoric
11-26-2022 5:33 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Conserve means to conserve the ways of life that has
made America the envy of the world.
Progress, for Liberals, means castrating young boys;
cutting of the breasts of young girls; killing little babies
as they are being born; allowing fat males (Brian Nguyen)
to win Miss America, and, men (Thomas) to win female
swimming titles.
They make the ignorant believe that males are toxic and
that women should always be believed. That all whites
are racists, and, that all police should be abolished.
They believe that homosexual marriages are just as right
and good as heterosexual marriages. They also believe
that pedophiles should be referred to as "minor
attracted persons."
Isaiah 5:20-21 "Woe unto them that call evil
good, and good evil; that put darkness for light,
and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet,
and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes,
and prudent in their own sight!"
"Woe," is by no stretch of the imagination a good thing.

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Theodoric
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Message 923 of 1864 (902993)
11-29-2022 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by candle2
11-29-2022 12:08 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
There is no thin line to be found. Either you are lying, misunderstood what was said, or fell for a hoax.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 924 of 1864 (902999)
11-29-2022 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 922 by candle2
11-29-2022 12:53 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Conserve means to conserve the ways of life that has
made America the envy of the world.
Most of the people who call themselves conservatives do not fit that description.
Progress, for Liberals, means castrating young boys;
cutting of the breasts of young girls; killing little babies
as they are being born; allowing fat males (Brian Nguyen)
to win Miss America, and, men (Thomas) to win female
swimming titles.

They make the ignorant believe that males are toxic and
that women should always be believed. That all whites
are racists, and, that all police should be abolished.
Complete bullshit.
I'm a liberal, but I do not believe any of those things.
Why are you so consumed with hatred?

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 925 of 1864 (903013)
11-30-2022 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 921 by AZPaul3
11-29-2022 12:18 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
AZPaul3, prove it was fake.

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Theodoric
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Message 926 of 1864 (903014)
11-30-2022 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 925 by candle2
11-30-2022 7:42 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
That is not how it works. You have not even presented evidence that anything like this even existed. We know nothing about this other than what you said. You have not even presented anything to rebuke. We can not prove or disprove your fever dreams.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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candle2
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Message 927 of 1864 (903015)
11-30-2022 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 924 by nwr
11-29-2022 5:33 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Nwr, you are the perfect example of what I was talking
about.
You call castrating young boys good; when in fact it is
pure evil.
All of the things that I mentioned about the Liberal
party is true. If you do not understand what your
party stands for, then perhaps you shouldn't vote.
You are too ignorant to understand the difference
between love and hate.
You seem to think that allowing men to win female
beauty pageants is based on love.
You seem to think that calling all whites racist is
based on love. It is beyond your understanding to
see that the only party consumed with racial issues
Is the Democratic Party.
Any whites that believe they are indebted to blacks
should pay them now. Give them half of your
paycheck every week. Give them the deed to your
house, or the title to your car.
Once a Liberal does this then he/she can preach to
the rest of us. But, not before.
God commands us to treat each other as we want
to be treated. God makes no distinction between
races. And neither do I.
Liberals talk about climate change. But, I do not see
any if them cutting their energy consumption.
First of all, stop using electricity, or at least, drastically
cut your consumption of it, and then you can lecture
the rest of us to do the same.
In other words, put your money where your mouth is.
I was a sophomore in school in 1969. In our study
hall we had a really strict librarian. She allowed no
talking at all.
I began to read magazines. One was "U.S. News and
World Report."
It had articles about global warming. And, it caused
me some concern. It made several predictions that
we're quite drastic and concerning.
BUT, none of the predictions panned out, not even
close.
In fact, none of the predictions issued by the liberal
mindset over the past 50 years have come close to
being fulfilled.
Liberals claim to be tolerant, but they are the most
intolerant people in America.
Many of the issues they claim to be tolerant of are, in
actuality, issues they agree with. Agreeing with an
issue is not being tolerant if it.
If they were tolerant, they would tolerate Conservative
ideas.
Biden has on many occasions called Conservatives
the worst threat to our Republic. He has called us
terrorists. He has done his best to demonize us.
When I show concern for the deaths of innocent
babies; when I show concern for a man or woman
with gender dysphoria; when I show concern for
kids having their bodies mutilated (to a liberal mind),
this translates to hate.

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candle2
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Message 928 of 1864 (903016)
11-30-2022 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 923 by Theodoric
11-29-2022 2:37 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Theodoric, don't try to lecture me about a hoax.
You are so gullible that you actually believe chemicals
created life, without the tiniest smidgen of proof.
Work on your own corny beliefs before trying to convince
others that their beliefs are wrong.
Only the most ignorant would believe that chemicals could
create life.

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Theodoric
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Message 929 of 1864 (903018)
11-30-2022 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 928 by candle2
11-30-2022 8:39 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Provide a source and evidence. All you have done is assert. There is no evidence for any of your claims. None. If there were you would present the evidence.
You are so gullible that you actually believe chemicals
created life, without the tiniest smidgen of proof.
Not the subject we are trying to discuss. Please stay on topic. If you want to show your ignorance of science post a comment to the many science threads available. But here you need to stay on topic.
Work on your own corny beliefs before trying to convince
others that their beliefs are wrong.
You are presenting your beliefs as facts. You can believe whatever wild-ass shit you want. What you can not do is expect anyone else to accept those unevidenced beliefs as facts.
Show us actual evidence of this trail.
Only the most ignorant would believe that chemicals could
create life.
Again, please stay on topic and display your ignorance of other subjects in the correct topics.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 930 of 1864 (903019)
11-30-2022 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 925 by candle2
11-30-2022 7:42 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
It was a Ron Wyatt fantasy with no evidence to back up the claim and NASA has refuted being part of this hoax. That makes it fake.
Now, you prove it wasn't. Show us the NASA report.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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